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> Meta is ending its direct peering relationship with Deutsche Telekom due to the company's actions that undermine net neutrality and put the open internet at r
by dathinab 2y ago
> Meta is ending its direct peering relationship with Deutsche Telekom due to the company's actions that undermine net neutrality and put the open internet at risk. [..]
This isn't quite correct, and thats why I was complaining about the article missing essential information because it's really misleading and makes you think that that is what is happening.
It turns out what happens is Meta wanted is a price cut of 40% on a contract with DT, DT was only open for 16% and decided to move to a different provider. Also (and here other sources where also a bit unclear) there was some curt ruling which boils down to yes the prices from DT are legal and Meta has to pay if they continue to use it (which they did while trying to get a 40% price cut). What is unclear here is who sued for what. FB trying to force lower prices by ab(?) using net neutrality laws? DT suing because FB not paying for continous usage of the service while discussing a new contract? Something else? Did they sue or was it a declaratory action? etc.
Most important this might not have as much to do with net neutrality as it seems.
Net neutrality is about not unfairly prioritizing some traffic over other traffic. It's also somewhat about you not having to pay every network provider your traffic goes through. But it is _not_ about content providers not paying at all for network traffic, they still pay the provider which connects them to the internet for traffic the same way you as a private person do (just probably much less).
And that is where they wanted a 40% price cut as far as I can tell. And that is also where they then moved to a different provider by now and where they don't have to pay DT for traffic flowing from their new provider through the DT network to customers (as far as I can tell).
So if you look at it from that perspective it's FB trying to abuse net neutrality by labeling traffic from their servers as transit traffic (but also some articles say the judges said it doesn't matter weather it's transit traffic or not in that case, which makes it even more unclear what exactly the curt case was about, probably some contractual clauses in their previous contract in which case it probably really doesn't matter)
- nisa 2y agoYour answer also isn't quite correct. And it's related to net neutrality. However there two things interwingled here that should be separate: * Contract law: Meta lost a court case about a contract for IP-Transit with DT. This is legit and correct - they continued using the private interconnect and by german law this requires you to pay. This is clear cut. * Telekom peering policy / brigandage: DT is the only major provider that is not present at any IX in Europe. They don't do any public peering. My local small ISP has better IX connectivity than DT while having 1/100th of the userbase. They require from hosters/content providers to sign contracts with them that are very overpriced (about 10x more than regulary private peering deals). They basically use their market power in germany (40% of internet users using their network) to force any internet service into buying an expensive contract with them. This is a thing that should be regulated via the german regulator or EU wide. If other ISPs act like DT any server hosting provider needs to pay every bigger ISP for access to their customers and this would be the end to the internet as we know it. That's why it's a big topic. But legally DT can do it at the moment and they act like this for over 10 years now. There were older disputes with a big german hoster Hetzner, Init7, Level3... now Meta is playing on another level and hopefully that bully behavoir from DT stops and others follow suit and these overpriced contracts stop.
- dathinab 2y agointeresting then I would agree that the combination of unusual high prices for direct commit + absence on IX or in general not enough bandwidth for "fair" cross network pairing is indeed effectively undermining net neutrality and needs to be stopped through IMHO it's a bit of an oversight of Meta to not be very clear about it, missing information in their article and other articles starting their reason section with 40% price cut doesn't make them look good
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