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I'm just getting an angry fruit salad of squares in most places with some edgy comments thrown in. Basically, OpenStreetMap meets 4chan.

amsterdorn 2y ago
Yep, I don't like it. Amplifies racist and ignorant voices.
- jason-phillips 2y ago
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  - btbuildem 2y ago
    There is probably a good middle ground between amplifying and stifling. You go to twitter, and ignorance is on blast. You try to get GPT to do anything non khaki non beige -- good luck. Either extreme is harmful imo, but we haven't found a way to a happy medium because, guess what: "will anyone think of the investors/advertisers/lawyers/...?!" Stop censoring, stop amplifying. Just reflect what is.
    - brookst 2y ago
      How would Hoodmaps go about “stop amplifying” without breaking your dictum to “stop censoring”?
      - btbuildem 2y ago
        It's a great question, and I don't pretend to have an answer. Also, I was thinking bit more broadly than just Hoodmaps -- the amplification of nonsense (being generous here, amplification of vile, harmful misinfo is more like it) has been an issue across the "social" media landscape for years. Same goes for the corporate-y "sanitization" of everything into bland lumpy paste -- it's not a new phenomenon. The one common thread I see there is ~money~ -- both the dark patterns that frontload incendiary garbage into feeds, and the ultra-conservative (as in, cautious and risk-averse) culture of large corps that stains their products, these are in effort to maximize profits / minimize losses. It would be inaccurate to say for example "nobody wants to see musk's inane drivel" -- there are probably a handful of stans, sycophants, grifters and trainwreck-watchers who follow that aberrant humanoid. But the mutant has a megaphone, and projects his mental illness larger than life, on one of the major online platforms that reaches tens of millions. This is the sort of amplification I see as being harmful. It's out of proportion, and many of the users of that platform seem to reject it. A little website tagging neighbourhoods? As long as no one there has the power to override what people put in and force their own individual opinion to the front? Let it be! So what if some nancy wrings her hands that a neighbourhood is tagged with a racial slur? Maybe it was someone from the very neighbourhood who tagged it as such. Who draws the line and where, regarding what is permitted? If something really transgresses against major social mores, people will shun it. We've got to remember we don't all ever agree on nothing -- different groups, different cultures hold different values. Don't muzzle people because you don't like what they say -- but at the same time, don't multiply their voice; especially not those who aim to start fights.
- zhouzhao 2y ago
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- cpursley 2y ago
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  - wonderwonder 2y ago
    obviously if they support the view point of the reader they are well informed. If they don't they are ignorant. Its my understanding thats how the internet works.
- Lionga 2y ago
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- null0pointer 2y ago
  AFAIK there is no mechanism to artificially favor any particular view. There is only the thumbs up/down mechanism meaning what you see is what the userbase finds useful or amusing. It ain't that serious.
phoronixrly 2y ago
Yup, seems like no moderation is taking place...
- wonderwonder 2y ago
  its run by 1 guy that has like 10 other sites. I don't think he makes any money off this one, just leaves it up for fun.
username923409 2y ago
If it was (more) moderated it would just be sterile, boring, and less true to reality. The entire point is to label areas with the most obviously applicable stereotype, and for that it's doing a great job.
- c0brac0bra 2y ago
  Not really. My city seems to be mostly inaccurate trolling.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    My area now’s too rural to have much on this site, but the city I’m most familiar with had pretty damn accurate labels.
- fodkodrasz 2y ago
  Forests marked as offices... this is far from accurate.
  - username923409 2y ago
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- sib 2y ago
  Neighborhoods and golf course labeled as offices...
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    I’m not sure why there’s such a high expectation of accuracy on something called “hood maps” that doesn’t use extensive moderation? Just move on if you don’t find it interesting or amusing.
    - sib 2y ago
      I guess I didn't see a big "this is a joke" label on the site so evaluated it as I would any service purporting to provide maps - where accuracy is a P0.
isaacfung 2y ago
Something similar happened to Google Map in Hong Kong recently. A dozen schools had their names changed by some pranksters. It's surprisingly easy. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3279201/nobi-nobita-college-hong-kong-concerned-over-pranksters-renaming-schools-google-maps https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3279201/...
morkalork 2y ago
When was this made, 2012? It's just so many variations of "hipster".
- ellisv 2y ago
  It’s been around since at least 2016, probably a few years earlier.
CalRobert 2y ago
Eh, I have found it useful when checking out cities to move to
- ziddoap 2y ago
  What do you look for when using this to decide where to move? Looking at cities near me, I see things like "suburban kids trying to be urban", "we cute here", and "stroller mommies who brunch", alongside some racist stuff. I'm not sure how to use that information when making a life-changing decision like moving to a new city.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    Bakfiets moms, International School kids, wannabe TV stars, hipsters, tourists are all useful signals. I'm an international parent who ride a bakfiets and likes art but does not want to be a tv star :-)
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Those are all funny and somewhat useful. What’s the issue?
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >What’s the issue? Of those three examples I gave? No issue at all, why do you think there is one? >and somewhat useful. I don't see how they are useful when deciding on where to move. Can you explain how you find them somewhat useful in the context of moving cities? How are you factoring in "we cute here" into your relocation decision?
bsimpson 2y ago
I've seen this same map used for years in digital nomad guides.

amsterdorn 2y ago

Yep, I don't like it. Amplifies racist and ignorant voices.

jason-phillips 2y ago
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- btbuildem 2y ago
  There is probably a good middle ground between amplifying and stifling. You go to twitter, and ignorance is on blast. You try to get GPT to do anything non khaki non beige -- good luck. Either extreme is harmful imo, but we haven't found a way to a happy medium because, guess what: "will anyone think of the investors/advertisers/lawyers/...?!" Stop censoring, stop amplifying. Just reflect what is.
  - brookst 2y ago
    How would Hoodmaps go about “stop amplifying” without breaking your dictum to “stop censoring”?
    - btbuildem 2y ago
      It's a great question, and I don't pretend to have an answer. Also, I was thinking bit more broadly than just Hoodmaps -- the amplification of nonsense (being generous here, amplification of vile, harmful misinfo is more like it) has been an issue across the "social" media landscape for years. Same goes for the corporate-y "sanitization" of everything into bland lumpy paste -- it's not a new phenomenon. The one common thread I see there is ~money~ -- both the dark patterns that frontload incendiary garbage into feeds, and the ultra-conservative (as in, cautious and risk-averse) culture of large corps that stains their products, these are in effort to maximize profits / minimize losses. It would be inaccurate to say for example "nobody wants to see musk's inane drivel" -- there are probably a handful of stans, sycophants, grifters and trainwreck-watchers who follow that aberrant humanoid. But the mutant has a megaphone, and projects his mental illness larger than life, on one of the major online platforms that reaches tens of millions. This is the sort of amplification I see as being harmful. It's out of proportion, and many of the users of that platform seem to reject it. A little website tagging neighbourhoods? As long as no one there has the power to override what people put in and force their own individual opinion to the front? Let it be! So what if some nancy wrings her hands that a neighbourhood is tagged with a racial slur? Maybe it was someone from the very neighbourhood who tagged it as such. Who draws the line and where, regarding what is permitted? If something really transgresses against major social mores, people will shun it. We've got to remember we don't all ever agree on nothing -- different groups, different cultures hold different values. Don't muzzle people because you don't like what they say -- but at the same time, don't multiply their voice; especially not those who aim to start fights.
zhouzhao 2y ago
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cpursley 2y ago
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- wonderwonder 2y ago
  obviously if they support the view point of the reader they are well informed. If they don't they are ignorant. Its my understanding thats how the internet works.
Lionga 2y ago
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null0pointer 2y ago
AFAIK there is no mechanism to artificially favor any particular view. There is only the thumbs up/down mechanism meaning what you see is what the userbase finds useful or amusing. It ain't that serious.

phoronixrly 2y ago

Yup, seems like no moderation is taking place...

wonderwonder 2y ago
its run by 1 guy that has like 10 other sites. I don't think he makes any money off this one, just leaves it up for fun.

username923409 2y ago

If it was (more) moderated it would just be sterile, boring, and less true to reality. The entire point is to label areas with the most obviously applicable stereotype, and for that it's doing a great job.

c0brac0bra 2y ago
Not really. My city seems to be mostly inaccurate trolling.
- vundercind 2y ago
  My area now’s too rural to have much on this site, but the city I’m most familiar with had pretty damn accurate labels.
fodkodrasz 2y ago
Forests marked as offices... this is far from accurate.
- username923409 2y ago
  [flagged]
sib 2y ago
Neighborhoods and golf course labeled as offices...
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  I’m not sure why there’s such a high expectation of accuracy on something called “hood maps” that doesn’t use extensive moderation? Just move on if you don’t find it interesting or amusing.
  - sib 2y ago
    I guess I didn't see a big "this is a joke" label on the site so evaluated it as I would any service purporting to provide maps - where accuracy is a P0.

isaacfung 2y ago

Something similar happened to Google Map in Hong Kong recently. A dozen schools had their names changed by some pranksters. It's surprisingly easy. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3279201/nobi-nobita-college-hong-kong-concerned-over-pranksters-renaming-schools-google-maps https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3279201/...

morkalork 2y ago

When was this made, 2012? It's just so many variations of "hipster".

ellisv 2y ago
It’s been around since at least 2016, probably a few years earlier.

CalRobert 2y ago

Eh, I have found it useful when checking out cities to move to

ziddoap 2y ago
What do you look for when using this to decide where to move? Looking at cities near me, I see things like "suburban kids trying to be urban", "we cute here", and "stroller mommies who brunch", alongside some racist stuff. I'm not sure how to use that information when making a life-changing decision like moving to a new city.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Bakfiets moms, International School kids, wannabe TV stars, hipsters, tourists are all useful signals. I'm an international parent who ride a bakfiets and likes art but does not want to be a tv star :-)
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  Those are all funny and somewhat useful. What’s the issue?
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >What’s the issue? Of those three examples I gave? No issue at all, why do you think there is one? >and somewhat useful. I don't see how they are useful when deciding on where to move. Can you explain how you find them somewhat useful in the context of moving cities? How are you factoring in "we cute here" into your relocation decision?

bsimpson 2y ago

I've seen this same map used for years in digital nomad guides.