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> Why do the teachers care? Let the students not learn and suffer from it. > The only reason they pull stunts like this is because it actually doesn't have as

> Why do the teachers care? Let the students not learn and suffer from it. > The only reason they pull stunts like this is because it actually doesn't have as much of an impact. > And not what they're told is important by educators who have an obvious bias, but what they can see in the reality of the job market. Oh, how you've missed the forest for the trees. These students paid real money to voluntarily attend an undergraduate ethics and technology course, and like the complacent naivete of lemmings, immediately walked right into a philosophy professor's well-laid trap in a way that directly supports her research agenda[1]: >> Her current projects focus on ways in which emerging technologies threaten to undermine essential conditions for human flourishing. These students were played just as easily as the commercial tools they blindly leaned into, and if that doesn't sharpen their critical faculties while eliciting a meaningful opportunity to introspect on what the future has in store for them, I don't know what will. [1] https://ualr.edu/philosophy/faculty/megan-fritts/ https://ualr.edu/philosophy/faculty/megan-fritts/

Izkata 2y ago
> These students paid real money to voluntarily attend an undergraduate ethics and technology course Did they really? I'm pretty sure mine was required and most of us didn't really care about it. We were paying for the other classes, not that one.
- metaphor 2y ago
  Yeah, really. It's an upper division elective[1] bucketed into PHIL 4380 generic catch-all, capped at 17 seats, and primarily targeting philosophy majors[2]. To be sure, my alma mater taught me a thing or two about independent research towards a due diligence imperative. Did yours? Moreover, you voluntarily paid for and committed to earning a holistic degree---full stop. How you appraise its normative pieceparts is wholesale irrelevant, and the matter of extracting value from the vested experience is entirely on adult you. Something about leading a horse to water comes vaguely to mind. A relevant counterfactual is that you could have bypassed lower division altogether and just audited upper division courses which you independently deemed to contain intrinsic market value as a non-degree-seeking student, dramatically reducing financial liabilities and time commitments to academic lethargy. Hell, you could have skipped university altogether and developed the necessary technical skills that you think the market values online for free! And yet you didn't...almost as if you desire the fringe benefits that society extends to formal degree holders without actually putting forth the honest effort expected of your accredited peer equivalents across the nation. Have your cake and eat it too much? Example of real world consequences? Every year, my employer swallows an absurd indirect expense explicitly reminding its workforce of statutory regulation, internal policy, and professional obligation towards ethical practice to cover its ass because so many of my so called "learned" peers conveniently dismiss the softer elements of their formal education---major election years being particularly egregious---and then these former employees cry when an industry conditioned to anticipate such halfbaked behavior catches them in the act, chews them up, and spits them out like expendable cud without regret. You reap what you sow. [1] https://a.ualr.edu/classes/index.php?term=202460&campus=M&searchType%5B%5D=U&keyword=Class%3A+ST%3A+Ethics+of+Technology+%28Philosophy%29&selectedSubjects= https://a.ualr.edu/classes/index.php?term=202460&campus=M&se... [2] https://catalog.ualr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=20&poid=5285 https://catalog.ualr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=20&poid=...

Izkata 2y ago

> These students paid real money to voluntarily attend an undergraduate ethics and technology course Did they really? I'm pretty sure mine was required and most of us didn't really care about it. We were paying for the other classes, not that one.

metaphor 2y ago
Yeah, really. It's an upper division elective[1] bucketed into PHIL 4380 generic catch-all, capped at 17 seats, and primarily targeting philosophy majors[2]. To be sure, my alma mater taught me a thing or two about independent research towards a due diligence imperative. Did yours? Moreover, you voluntarily paid for and committed to earning a holistic degree---full stop. How you appraise its normative pieceparts is wholesale irrelevant, and the matter of extracting value from the vested experience is entirely on adult you. Something about leading a horse to water comes vaguely to mind. A relevant counterfactual is that you could have bypassed lower division altogether and just audited upper division courses which you independently deemed to contain intrinsic market value as a non-degree-seeking student, dramatically reducing financial liabilities and time commitments to academic lethargy. Hell, you could have skipped university altogether and developed the necessary technical skills that you think the market values online for free! And yet you didn't...almost as if you desire the fringe benefits that society extends to formal degree holders without actually putting forth the honest effort expected of your accredited peer equivalents across the nation. Have your cake and eat it too much? Example of real world consequences? Every year, my employer swallows an absurd indirect expense explicitly reminding its workforce of statutory regulation, internal policy, and professional obligation towards ethical practice to cover its ass because so many of my so called "learned" peers conveniently dismiss the softer elements of their formal education---major election years being particularly egregious---and then these former employees cry when an industry conditioned to anticipate such halfbaked behavior catches them in the act, chews them up, and spits them out like expendable cud without regret. You reap what you sow. [1] https://a.ualr.edu/classes/index.php?term=202460&campus=M&searchType%5B%5D=U&keyword=Class%3A+ST%3A+Ethics+of+Technology+%28Philosophy%29&selectedSubjects= https://a.ualr.edu/classes/index.php?term=202460&campus=M&se... [2] https://catalog.ualr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=20&poid=5285 https://catalog.ualr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=20&poid=...