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HE Fremont is a total ghetto. 15A per full rack, essentially no cooling. Its just a massive open warehouse. Fremont 2 is much better than Fremont 1, but stil

HE Fremont is a total ghetto. 15A per full rack, essentially no cooling. Its just a massive open warehouse. Fremont 2 is much better than Fremont 1, but still had one power outage when I was there. Connectivity wise, they are pretty good. Sometimes may be a little more DDoS prone though. I've been in several Sacramento datacenters and currently have a half rack in in Webion in Rancho Cordova. Ragingwire is freakin expensive. The pricing with prgmr.com looked pretty good though. SJ gets better bandwidth pricing, and probably about just as crappy on power. If looking for a serious deployment, generally have to look outside CA. Great connectivity, but power is what will kill you.

getsat 14y ago
Linode's Fremont datacenter seems to have power outages every three months or so. I believe they're using HE's facilities as well.
rdl 14y ago
I pretty much stopped looking at his advice when he said he went to HE. If you create selection criteria where HE passes, the problem is with your criteria.
lsc 14y ago
if you are using serious power and are willing to go super high density (e.g. you are willing to pay the premium for blades) BAIS in santa clara is not a bad deal; north of 10Kw usable for under two grand a month. Santa clara power prices are dramatically better than san jose power prices. I'm trying to move my own stuff in the direction of santa clara. Of course, at the low end? I mean, if you are the $200/month customer that is thinking about buying from me? that sort of thing probably makes less difference. The funny thing about he.net is that if you work out the cost per watt, they are more expensive than most places after negotiation. (on the other hand, he.net gives you the price off the top; most other places go for 30-50% over what the real price is.)
- rdl 14y ago
  I really like Layer42 in Santa Clara (and in Mountain View); I can probably get you a deal on power/bandwidth there (cofounder of my startup has a cage, etc.)
  - lsc 14y ago
    really? I actually have a customer that wants me to rent them some space and manage their stuff in mountain view, and I'm actively looking in Santa Clara for myself. (In both cases, we're talking small fry, under 10kw.)
    - krobertson 14y ago
      I toured Layer42's Mountain View facility and it looked pretty good. Don't remember exactly what the power prices were, but it was comparable to Sacramento. I stuck with Sacramento since it was closer.
      - lsc 14y ago
        huh. I had a bunch of stuff in heraklesdata in sacramento. They quoted 150% of the 20a 120v circuit price for 30a 208v. I told the guy in the rack next to me (who ended up doing better than I did) and he wanted me to quit explaining power to the salesguys; this guy's theory is that one of the bizdev folks didn't know how to calculate power from amps and volts. It's pretty funny; here in santa clara, people charge about twice (per amp) for 208v as 120v. thus, I end up just getting a whole bunch of 20a 120v circuits. It's silly, but eh, watts are what I actually want. (208v is slightly more efficient; but an amp of 208v is, well, 208 watts, and two amps of 120v is 240 watts... 208v is not /that/ much more efficient.)
- krobertson 14y ago
  Doing the quick math from what I remember HE's pricing to be, it is cheaper per watt... at my peak I had a full rack and 4.2Kw and only actually using half a rack. It just feels wrong to have to get 3 racks at HE and basically just be 4 servers per rack. HE just seems at weird economies of scale. Pretty much no cooling, 70-80% of the warehouse empty, and $1/Mbit (they lower now?). If Fremont 2 gets more populated, will it inherit the same power issues? Part of me doesn't want to know. I've heard good things about SVTIX though... haven't toured or had anything in there, but it seems to have a good rep.

getsat 14y ago

Linode's Fremont datacenter seems to have power outages every three months or so. I believe they're using HE's facilities as well.

rdl 14y ago

I pretty much stopped looking at his advice when he said he went to HE. If you create selection criteria where HE passes, the problem is with your criteria.

lsc 14y ago

if you are using serious power and are willing to go super high density (e.g. you are willing to pay the premium for blades) BAIS in santa clara is not a bad deal; north of 10Kw usable for under two grand a month. Santa clara power prices are dramatically better than san jose power prices. I'm trying to move my own stuff in the direction of santa clara. Of course, at the low end? I mean, if you are the $200/month customer that is thinking about buying from me? that sort of thing probably makes less difference. The funny thing about he.net is that if you work out the cost per watt, they are more expensive than most places after negotiation. (on the other hand, he.net gives you the price off the top; most other places go for 30-50% over what the real price is.)

rdl 14y ago
I really like Layer42 in Santa Clara (and in Mountain View); I can probably get you a deal on power/bandwidth there (cofounder of my startup has a cage, etc.)
- lsc 14y ago
  really? I actually have a customer that wants me to rent them some space and manage their stuff in mountain view, and I'm actively looking in Santa Clara for myself. (In both cases, we're talking small fry, under 10kw.)
  - krobertson 14y ago
    I toured Layer42's Mountain View facility and it looked pretty good. Don't remember exactly what the power prices were, but it was comparable to Sacramento. I stuck with Sacramento since it was closer.
    - lsc 14y ago
      huh. I had a bunch of stuff in heraklesdata in sacramento. They quoted 150% of the 20a 120v circuit price for 30a 208v. I told the guy in the rack next to me (who ended up doing better than I did) and he wanted me to quit explaining power to the salesguys; this guy's theory is that one of the bizdev folks didn't know how to calculate power from amps and volts. It's pretty funny; here in santa clara, people charge about twice (per amp) for 208v as 120v. thus, I end up just getting a whole bunch of 20a 120v circuits. It's silly, but eh, watts are what I actually want. (208v is slightly more efficient; but an amp of 208v is, well, 208 watts, and two amps of 120v is 240 watts... 208v is not /that/ much more efficient.)
krobertson 14y ago
Doing the quick math from what I remember HE's pricing to be, it is cheaper per watt... at my peak I had a full rack and 4.2Kw and only actually using half a rack. It just feels wrong to have to get 3 racks at HE and basically just be 4 servers per rack. HE just seems at weird economies of scale. Pretty much no cooling, 70-80% of the warehouse empty, and $1/Mbit (they lower now?). If Fremont 2 gets more populated, will it inherit the same power issues? Part of me doesn't want to know. I've heard good things about SVTIX though... haven't toured or had anything in there, but it seems to have a good rep.