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That's what the parent is saying. If you are in school to try and be a more well rounded person, but then rely on tools like ChatGPT to do it for you, then the

That's what the parent is saying. If you are in school to try and be a more well rounded person, but then rely on tools like ChatGPT to do it for you, then the only loss is yours. Which then questions, who cares? Why not let you waste your time and money? But he is also saying that employers have perverted the incentives, giving reason for students to lean on such tools to gain an edge in the job market with minimal input. Which is what raises alarm with educators, as they know their job is on the line if employers start to question the authenticity of the degree. There isn't enough money in people just wanting to be better people. Let's be honest, the vast, vast, vast majority or students are only there because they believe they need to tick a box when job searching.

ryandrake 2y ago
> Let's be honest, the vast, vast, vast majority or students are only there because they believe they need to tick a box when job searching. Maybe they -actually- need to tick that box and it doesn’t matter to employers how it’s ticked, just that it is ticked. For some reason, academics and educators really seem to hate the reality that most people go to university not to get a well rounded education, and not for personal enrichment, but because employer gatekeepers require it. If employers stopped requiring a college degree, I bet college enrollment would drop 90%.
- randomdata 2y ago
  To be fair, modern university was originally sold on the idea of getting more people into university research labs where they could work to develop and take ownership of new capital. This is where the idea that you will make more money if you go to university comes from. As capital is a multiplier on labour, labour * capital = higher income over labour alone. Of course, people don't listen and the vast majority just went and got jobs working for someone else's existing capital after spending a modicum of time in university classrooms, somehow thinking that is the same thing. As a result, the higher income and other promises never materialized. Incomes have held quite stagnant even as more and more people graduate from university. I can see why educators are annoyed that the grand hope for a future paved with intensive capital creation ended up being just a bunch of dumb-dumbs who believe they need to tick a box. But it is still their bread and butter. Reality has to be faced. But perhaps what they really are annoyed by is that they equally failed to create capital themselves, and thus try to sooth the pangs of failure with pretending "Oh, I was just here to become a better person!"?

ryandrake 2y ago

> Let's be honest, the vast, vast, vast majority or students are only there because they believe they need to tick a box when job searching. Maybe they -actually- need to tick that box and it doesn’t matter to employers how it’s ticked, just that it is ticked. For some reason, academics and educators really seem to hate the reality that most people go to university not to get a well rounded education, and not for personal enrichment, but because employer gatekeepers require it. If employers stopped requiring a college degree, I bet college enrollment would drop 90%.

randomdata 2y ago
To be fair, modern university was originally sold on the idea of getting more people into university research labs where they could work to develop and take ownership of new capital. This is where the idea that you will make more money if you go to university comes from. As capital is a multiplier on labour, labour * capital = higher income over labour alone. Of course, people don't listen and the vast majority just went and got jobs working for someone else's existing capital after spending a modicum of time in university classrooms, somehow thinking that is the same thing. As a result, the higher income and other promises never materialized. Incomes have held quite stagnant even as more and more people graduate from university. I can see why educators are annoyed that the grand hope for a future paved with intensive capital creation ended up being just a bunch of dumb-dumbs who believe they need to tick a box. But it is still their bread and butter. Reality has to be faced. But perhaps what they really are annoyed by is that they equally failed to create capital themselves, and thus try to sooth the pangs of failure with pretending "Oh, I was just here to become a better person!"?