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> ClassicPress Never heard of it before, but it constantly surprises me how much effort people are willing to put in just to keep “the old version” of somethin

by sureIy 2y ago

> ClassicPress Never heard of it before, but it constantly surprises me how much effort people are willing to put in just to keep “the old version” of something.

bravetraveler 2y ago
I think it says a bit about how dubious 'new and improved' can be Security updates, features? Perhaps yay. Redesign, boo. I already use the thing.
- sureIy 2y ago
  Yeah, exactly. Do you really want to put that much effort because “redesign boo”? Makes no sense. Put the effort learning the new UI and move on. Every single “bring the old X back” project ends badly, you’re just extending your own pain by using those projects because they’ll slowly fall out of date. The only way to successfully “bring the old X back” is to convince the original vendor, like it happened for the Metro UI in Windows 8.
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    You've changed my mind on this a bit! I was generally more in the mindset of: "sure, maintain the old copy". Granted, Wordpress isn't the best choice for this. Vulnerabilities abound. It's funny we still agree, coming from different approaches :) To your point, it doesn't make much sense to fork and actually maintain the code. I more meant the installation/deployment. I'm not that afraid with things like SELinux policies and network boundaries in place. One could learn the new thing, find something more suitable, or run the old thing until the wheels fall off. We're spoiled for choice! Creating more fragmentation/choice extends the challenge. We see this with Linux distributions. Outside of like four root distributions, we have N derivatives re-packaging for slightly different themes and configs. Given enough time and caffeine I could replace the entire ISO ecosystem with YML and Linux from Scratch... but I use something more traditional because I value my time/effort.
  - chuckadams 2y ago
    If it were just a matter of a new admin UI, that would be one thing. A quick peek under the covers reveals how howling-at-the-moon-insane the Gutenberg block format is, how brittle it is when working with filters and other low-level things, and that's been the real source of pushback from developers. TBH I kind of liked Metro back when it was used for XP Media Center. Win8 just did a crap job at integrating it with the rest of the system (and arguably repeating the same crap job with win10/11)

by sureIy 2y ago

> ClassicPress Never heard of it before, but it constantly surprises me how much effort people are willing to put in just to keep “the old version” of something.

bravetraveler 2y ago

I think it says a bit about how dubious 'new and improved' can be Security updates, features? Perhaps yay. Redesign, boo. I already use the thing.

sureIy 2y ago
Yeah, exactly. Do you really want to put that much effort because “redesign boo”? Makes no sense. Put the effort learning the new UI and move on. Every single “bring the old X back” project ends badly, you’re just extending your own pain by using those projects because they’ll slowly fall out of date. The only way to successfully “bring the old X back” is to convince the original vendor, like it happened for the Metro UI in Windows 8.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  You've changed my mind on this a bit! I was generally more in the mindset of: "sure, maintain the old copy". Granted, Wordpress isn't the best choice for this. Vulnerabilities abound. It's funny we still agree, coming from different approaches :) To your point, it doesn't make much sense to fork and actually maintain the code. I more meant the installation/deployment. I'm not that afraid with things like SELinux policies and network boundaries in place. One could learn the new thing, find something more suitable, or run the old thing until the wheels fall off. We're spoiled for choice! Creating more fragmentation/choice extends the challenge. We see this with Linux distributions. Outside of like four root distributions, we have N derivatives re-packaging for slightly different themes and configs. Given enough time and caffeine I could replace the entire ISO ecosystem with YML and Linux from Scratch... but I use something more traditional because I value my time/effort.
- chuckadams 2y ago
  If it were just a matter of a new admin UI, that would be one thing. A quick peek under the covers reveals how howling-at-the-moon-insane the Gutenberg block format is, how brittle it is when working with filters and other low-level things, and that's been the real source of pushback from developers. TBH I kind of liked Metro back when it was used for XP Media Center. Win8 just did a crap job at integrating it with the rest of the system (and arguably repeating the same crap job with win10/11)