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There's almost never incontrovertible proof in a criminal trial. Even if the suspect is on camera confessing. The sheer number of people who confessed to crimes

There's almost never incontrovertible proof in a criminal trial. Even if the suspect is on camera confessing. The sheer number of people who confessed to crimes and were then found innocent through DNA evidence is perturbing.

brewdad 2y ago
Maybe that’s a clue that we should almost never be using the death penalty.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  100%. I've seen so many wrongful convictions. A lot of those, the person wasn't necessarily innocent, but the trial process was so faulty that they did not receive the due process they were owed. The primary responsibility of a defense attorney isn't what a guilty defendant wants (to get off the charges), but it is to ensure that their client receives an absolutely fair trial with all the fairly-obtained evidence fairly presented.
lm28469 2y ago
> There's almost never incontrovertible proof in a criminal trial Having watched a few FBI interrogations and other true crime related videos there certainly are such proofs. I have a few of these come to mind, like the dude who killed his ex, took the house surveillance cameras down after the facts but didn't know they were backed up on servers, he was caught with the cameras in his truck shortly after. Most of these publicly known cases have a ridiculously long trail of proofs actually I'm not saying mistakes don't happen, they obviously do, but in many cases it's extremely easy to prove if someone's guilty or not. > Even if the suspect is on camera confessing. That's not enough in most countries
- coryfklein 2y ago
  I wonder how one would encode such a level of burden of truth into the legal system such that the "really incontrovertible" cases are distinguishable from the "not really incontrovertible" ones.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    This is just down to the jury :/

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There's almost never incontrovertible proof in a criminal trial. Even if the suspect is on camera confessing. The sheer number of people who confessed to crimes

by qingcharles 2y ago

brewdad 2y ago
Maybe that’s a clue that we should almost never be using the death penalty.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  100%. I've seen so many wrongful convictions. A lot of those, the person wasn't necessarily innocent, but the trial process was so faulty that they did not receive the due process they were owed. The primary responsibility of a defense attorney isn't what a guilty defendant wants (to get off the charges), but it is to ensure that their client receives an absolutely fair trial with all the fairly-obtained evidence fairly presented.
lm28469 2y ago
> There's almost never incontrovertible proof in a criminal trial Having watched a few FBI interrogations and other true crime related videos there certainly are such proofs. I have a few of these come to mind, like the dude who killed his ex, took the house surveillance cameras down after the facts but didn't know they were backed up on servers, he was caught with the cameras in his truck shortly after. Most of these publicly known cases have a ridiculously long trail of proofs actually I'm not saying mistakes don't happen, they obviously do, but in many cases it's extremely easy to prove if someone's guilty or not. > Even if the suspect is on camera confessing. That's not enough in most countries
- coryfklein 2y ago
  I wonder how one would encode such a level of burden of truth into the legal system such that the "really incontrovertible" cases are distinguishable from the "not really incontrovertible" ones.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    This is just down to the jury :/