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EVs will go mainstream when, and only when, this sort of thing is not needed, because you can charge your EV whenever and wherever you are, and in a few minutes

EVs will go mainstream when, and only when, this sort of thing is not needed, because you can charge your EV whenever and wherever you are, and in a few minutes, like gas stations. To replace an incumbent product, a new competitor has to be at least two of: cheaper to buy, more convenient, and cheaper to use in the long run. EVs are running at 0.5 for 3, at best.

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
> cheaper to buy Yeah, that probably won't happen for a long time. > more convenient If you can charge at home, then for daily driving, they're more convenient than ICE. Road trips aren't bad if you have access to Tesla Superchargers. If you're CCS only, then it's another story. > cheaper to use in the long run If you can charge using residential rates in an area that doesn't have absurd energy pricing, then in the long run, an EV IS cheaper. The cost to replace a battery is a popular talking point, but it's just not relevant on any EV that isn't a first generation Leaf. It typically takes over 100,000 miles to see even 10% degradation. EVs are cheaper to maintain. No oil changes, your brake pads last forever, no transmission fluids...your only maintenance is tires, cabin air filter, and wiper blades/fluid. > EVs are running at 0.5 for 3, at best. If you charge at home, I'd say they're 1.75 out of 3, with 0.25 taken out just for road trips.
pornel 2y ago
This is already the reality in most of EU and the UK. There are 300kW charging stations all over the place, and a decent EV can recharge in 20 minutes. I actually prefer this over refuelling, because filling up takes 5+ minutes of my time, while recharging is unattended, so I can plug in in seconds, and go get a coffee/break in the meantime. Chargers also tend to be next to nicer places, near food courts and other retail, which is handy, and doesn't need to be a separate stop on road trips.

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago

> cheaper to buy Yeah, that probably won't happen for a long time. > more convenient If you can charge at home, then for daily driving, they're more convenient than ICE. Road trips aren't bad if you have access to Tesla Superchargers. If you're CCS only, then it's another story. > cheaper to use in the long run If you can charge using residential rates in an area that doesn't have absurd energy pricing, then in the long run, an EV IS cheaper. The cost to replace a battery is a popular talking point, but it's just not relevant on any EV that isn't a first generation Leaf. It typically takes over 100,000 miles to see even 10% degradation. EVs are cheaper to maintain. No oil changes, your brake pads last forever, no transmission fluids...your only maintenance is tires, cabin air filter, and wiper blades/fluid. > EVs are running at 0.5 for 3, at best. If you charge at home, I'd say they're 1.75 out of 3, with 0.25 taken out just for road trips.

pornel 2y ago

This is already the reality in most of EU and the UK. There are 300kW charging stations all over the place, and a decent EV can recharge in 20 minutes. I actually prefer this over refuelling, because filling up takes 5+ minutes of my time, while recharging is unattended, so I can plug in in seconds, and go get a coffee/break in the meantime. Chargers also tend to be next to nicer places, near food courts and other retail, which is handy, and doesn't need to be a separate stop on road trips.