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I oppose the death penalty, but social policies should not be based on the outcome of cost/benefit analysis. If they were, executions would be used far more, on

I oppose the death penalty, but social policies should not be based on the outcome of cost/benefit analysis. If they were, executions would be used far more, on much less serious crimes, given rates of recidivism and revictimisation amongst certain crime types.

komali2 2y ago
Cost benefit analysis wouldn't shake out in favor o execution on serious crimes due to add on effects. Cost benefit analysis and evidence based policy making would lead to a restorative justice system.
- telotortium 2y ago
  Rehabilitation has not been shown to work regularly in practice, particularly for criminals with long criminal histories (such as Marcellus Williams). The primary benefit of incarceration is incapacitation - keeping repeat criminals off the streets. Personally, I would make prison conditions less harsh, as long as we could guarantee that repeat criminals would stay in prison until they reach the age at which aggression has declined enough that they’re unlikely to impulsively commit crimes. That might have to be 50+ years old. Then they should be released with a UBI. Most people who would get sent to prison for decades after a life of crime were never suitable employees in the first place, and they’ll be even less so after prison. However, they should have enough money to live a life of dignity after prison, and if they can keep a job, they should keep all that money too.
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    > Rehabilitation has not been shown to work regularly in practice It works when it's done right [0]. One of the main reasons it fails to work is when the justice system itself is perceived as unfair [0]. So, things like inconsistently applied sentencing (!), systemic racism (!), over-the-top punishments (!) even in cases with significant doubt (!), etc... 0 - https://www.innovatingjustice.org/sites/default/files/documents/Evid%20Based%20Strategies.pdf https://www.innovatingjustice.org/sites/default/files/docume...
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  Cost benefit analysis would likely trace back to root causes in the same way it's cheaper to fix a bug before it gets shipped. There's a great TED talk from a lawyer who was looking to reduce death penalty executions, who realised the best way to do that would be to reduce the number of murders and the best way to do that was to support kids and families with problems due to poverty and poor mental health. The childhood anecdote from the guy he was working with that got executed has stayed with me for over a decade now: https://youtu.be/HYzrdn7YLCM?si=ehMUoSFbLvQt_h3F https://youtu.be/HYzrdn7YLCM?si=ehMUoSFbLvQt_h3F

komali2 2y ago

Cost benefit analysis wouldn't shake out in favor o execution on serious crimes due to add on effects. Cost benefit analysis and evidence based policy making would lead to a restorative justice system.

telotortium 2y ago
Rehabilitation has not been shown to work regularly in practice, particularly for criminals with long criminal histories (such as Marcellus Williams). The primary benefit of incarceration is incapacitation - keeping repeat criminals off the streets. Personally, I would make prison conditions less harsh, as long as we could guarantee that repeat criminals would stay in prison until they reach the age at which aggression has declined enough that they’re unlikely to impulsively commit crimes. That might have to be 50+ years old. Then they should be released with a UBI. Most people who would get sent to prison for decades after a life of crime were never suitable employees in the first place, and they’ll be even less so after prison. However, they should have enough money to live a life of dignity after prison, and if they can keep a job, they should keep all that money too.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > Rehabilitation has not been shown to work regularly in practice It works when it's done right [0]. One of the main reasons it fails to work is when the justice system itself is perceived as unfair [0]. So, things like inconsistently applied sentencing (!), systemic racism (!), over-the-top punishments (!) even in cases with significant doubt (!), etc... 0 - https://www.innovatingjustice.org/sites/default/files/documents/Evid%20Based%20Strategies.pdf https://www.innovatingjustice.org/sites/default/files/docume...
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Cost benefit analysis would likely trace back to root causes in the same way it's cheaper to fix a bug before it gets shipped. There's a great TED talk from a lawyer who was looking to reduce death penalty executions, who realised the best way to do that would be to reduce the number of murders and the best way to do that was to support kids and families with problems due to poverty and poor mental health. The childhood anecdote from the guy he was working with that got executed has stayed with me for over a decade now: https://youtu.be/HYzrdn7YLCM?si=ehMUoSFbLvQt_h3F https://youtu.be/HYzrdn7YLCM?si=ehMUoSFbLvQt_h3F