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This is very interesting. The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. Wireless compute puck = iPhone Wrist band = A

This is very interesting. The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. Wireless compute puck = iPhone Wrist band = Apple watch (although most people wear it on their non-dominant hand) From the videos it looks like Meta adopted Apple's UI of a horizontal handle bar underneath a window for interacting with a piece of content. Considering that the 100 degree field of view of the Apple Vision Pro is already noticeable, 70 degrees seems really limiting.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
> The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. It's also possible they don't ever put out an offering in this form factor. They never released a dual screen phone. They never released a touchscreen laptop. This might be one of those things they just don't touch. Also, I wonder if they'll have a tough time filling the form factor with stuff to do. The lack of apps was a huge reason the APV flopped, while Meta has a large headstart in making it possible for devs to build for their device, even those without exp in spatial dev / game dev / etc.
- pazimzadeh 2y ago
  > It's also possible they don't ever put out an offering in this form factor Couldn't disagree more, if it was possible to bet on this I would bet all my money that they do release something like this. It'll probably be called the Vision Air or something. I don't remember which article it was, but there are reports that Tim Cook only agreed to fund and ship the Vision Pro because he was told that the same tech will be put into glasses in a few years.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    I'll gladly take that bet. Apple is known to be very conservative with hardware form factors, and the AVP was a huge risk for them, and a departure from their previous ways of working that they'll be reluctant to return to after its failure.
    - pazimzadeh 2y ago
      If there is a secure/verified way to take the bet I will gladly put some money up! So if Apple sells an eyeglass-like form factor AR product, then I win right? I guess we need a deadline? 2040?
paul7986 2y ago
Apple selling a device that causes privacy issues (a camera always in your face as a non-user)..seems like a stretch. Facebook seems better aligned in that regards.
- jknoepfler 2y ago
  That's literally all Apple sells, though, in terms of hardware.
  - paul7986 2y ago
    They sell hardware that prompts privacy concerns? Many conversations you will have when you wear smart glasses (I wear meta's ray bans often since October) is people's concerns..oh u are filming me and I don't know ..stuff to that extent.
- PoignardAzur 2y ago
  If we're talking "privacy concerns for the people the device is used on", Apple already did that with AirTags.
  - paul7986 2y ago
    Rather everyone not wearing Apple glasses and how they feel that's an invasion of privacy (a camera in their face everywhere they turn).
neurogence 2y ago
The 100 degree field of view in the AVP is noticeable because it is a VR headsets. Most VR headsets like the Meta Quest 3 have greater field of view than the AVP, which is why the 100 degree is so noticeable. For an AR headset, 70 degrees is pretty good.
- Tepix 2y ago
  70° is superb for an AR headset, are there even better ones?
- pazimzadeh 2y ago
  AVP is AR. They made a big deal of being able to place windows all around and above your workspace, but taking advantage of this requires large head movements. I had a Quest2 but sold it years ago. I'm not comparing AVP to any previous VR experiences, I don't even remember what the FOV felt like.
  - nilkn 2y ago
    Not the same thing. AVP uses passthrough video, which is subject to the same field of view as the virtual content. These glasses are actually glasses, so the real world has an "unlimited" field of view -- only virtual content exists in the 70 degree FoV. You can emulate this on the Vision Pro by removing the light seal entirely. It makes a dramatic difference, but also makes it impossible to use virtual environments or any immersive experiences.
    - pazimzadeh 2y ago
      Ok I see. Allowing the real world through would still make you turn your head to see content placed around you though.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    So is the Quest 3 (now 3s). It was significantly better than the 2

aprilthird2021 2y ago

> The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. It's also possible they don't ever put out an offering in this form factor. They never released a dual screen phone. They never released a touchscreen laptop. This might be one of those things they just don't touch. Also, I wonder if they'll have a tough time filling the form factor with stuff to do. The lack of apps was a huge reason the APV flopped, while Meta has a large headstart in making it possible for devs to build for their device, even those without exp in spatial dev / game dev / etc.

pazimzadeh 2y ago
> It's also possible they don't ever put out an offering in this form factor Couldn't disagree more, if it was possible to bet on this I would bet all my money that they do release something like this. It'll probably be called the Vision Air or something. I don't remember which article it was, but there are reports that Tim Cook only agreed to fund and ship the Vision Pro because he was told that the same tech will be put into glasses in a few years.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  I'll gladly take that bet. Apple is known to be very conservative with hardware form factors, and the AVP was a huge risk for them, and a departure from their previous ways of working that they'll be reluctant to return to after its failure.
  - pazimzadeh 2y ago
    If there is a secure/verified way to take the bet I will gladly put some money up! So if Apple sells an eyeglass-like form factor AR product, then I win right? I guess we need a deadline? 2040?

paul7986 2y ago

Apple selling a device that causes privacy issues (a camera always in your face as a non-user)..seems like a stretch. Facebook seems better aligned in that regards.

jknoepfler 2y ago
That's literally all Apple sells, though, in terms of hardware.
- paul7986 2y ago
  They sell hardware that prompts privacy concerns? Many conversations you will have when you wear smart glasses (I wear meta's ray bans often since October) is people's concerns..oh u are filming me and I don't know ..stuff to that extent.
PoignardAzur 2y ago
If we're talking "privacy concerns for the people the device is used on", Apple already did that with AirTags.
- paul7986 2y ago
  Rather everyone not wearing Apple glasses and how they feel that's an invasion of privacy (a camera in their face everywhere they turn).

neurogence 2y ago

The 100 degree field of view in the AVP is noticeable because it is a VR headsets. Most VR headsets like the Meta Quest 3 have greater field of view than the AVP, which is why the 100 degree is so noticeable. For an AR headset, 70 degrees is pretty good.

Tepix 2y ago
70° is superb for an AR headset, are there even better ones?
pazimzadeh 2y ago
AVP is AR. They made a big deal of being able to place windows all around and above your workspace, but taking advantage of this requires large head movements. I had a Quest2 but sold it years ago. I'm not comparing AVP to any previous VR experiences, I don't even remember what the FOV felt like.
- nilkn 2y ago
  Not the same thing. AVP uses passthrough video, which is subject to the same field of view as the virtual content. These glasses are actually glasses, so the real world has an "unlimited" field of view -- only virtual content exists in the 70 degree FoV. You can emulate this on the Vision Pro by removing the light seal entirely. It makes a dramatic difference, but also makes it impossible to use virtual environments or any immersive experiences.
  - pazimzadeh 2y ago
    Ok I see. Allowing the real world through would still make you turn your head to see content placed around you though.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  So is the Quest 3 (now 3s). It was significantly better than the 2