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Oh. That's sad indeed. What might be the reason for excluding Europe?

by _ink_ 2y ago

paxys 2y ago
Punishment. "Your government passes laws we don't like, so we aren't going to let you have our latest toys".
Arubis 2y ago
Glibly, Europe has the gall to even consider writing regulations without asking the regulated parties for permission.
- pocketarc 2y ago
  Between this and Apple's policies, big tech corporations really seem to be putting the screws to the EU as much as they can. "See, consumers? Look at how bad your regulation is, that you're missing out on all these cool things we're working on. Talk to your politicians!" Regardless of your political opinion on the subject, you've got to admit, at the very least, it will be educational to see how this develops over the next 5-10 years of tech progress, as the EU gets excluded from more and more things.
  - DannyBee 2y ago
    Or, again, they are just deciding the economy isn't worth the cost. (or not worth prioritizing upfront or ....) When we had numerous discussions on HN as these rules were implemented, this is precisely what the europeans said should happen. So why does it now have to be some concerted effort to "put the screws to EU"? I otherwise agree it will be interesting, but mostly in the sense that i watched people swear up and down this was just about protecting EU citizens and they were fine with none of these companies doing anything in the EU or not prioritizing the EU if they decided it wasn't worth the cost. We'll see if that's true or not, i guess, or if they really wanted it to be "you have to do it, but on our terms" or whatever.
  - imiric 2y ago
    > Between this and Apple's policies, big tech corporations really seem to be putting the screws to the EU as much as they can. Funny, I see that the other way around, actually. The EU is forcing Big Tech to be transparent and not exploit their users. It's the companies that must choose to comply, or take their business elsewhere. Let's not forget that Apple users in the EU can use 3rd-party stores, and it was EU regulations that forced Apple to switch to USB-C. All of these are a win for consumers. The reason Meta is not making their models available in the EU is because they can't or won't comply with the recent AI regulations. This only means that the law is working as intended. > it will be educational to see how this develops over the next 5-10 years of tech progress, as the EU gets excluded from more and more things. I don't think we're missing much that Big Tech has to offer, and we'll probably be better off for it. I'm actually in favor of even stricter regulations, particularly around AI, but what was recently enacted is a good start.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      > The reason Meta is not making their models available in the EU is because they can't or won't comply with the recent AI regulations. This only means that the law is working as intended. It isn't clear at all, and in fact given how light handed the European Commission when dealing with infringement cases (no fine before lots of warning and even clarification meetings about how to comply with the law) Meta would take no risk at all releasing something now even if they needed to roll it back later. They are definitely trying to put pressure on the European Commission, leveraging the fact that Thierry Breton was dismissed.
- aftbit 2y ago
  This makes it sound like some kind of retaliation, instead of Meta attempting to comply with the very regulations you're talking about. Maybe llama3.2 would violate the existing face recognition database policies?
- DannyBee 2y ago
  Why is it that and not just cost/benefit for them? They've decided it's not worth their time/energy to do it right now in a way that complies with regulation (or whatever) Isn't that precisely the choice the EU wants them to make? Either do it within the bounds of what we want, or leave us out of it?
weberer 2y ago
According to the open letter they linked, it looks to be regarding some regulation about the training data used. https://euneedsai.com/ https://euneedsai.com/

Oh. That's sad indeed. What might be the reason for excluding Europe?

by _ink_ 2y ago

Oh. That's sad indeed. What might be the reason for excluding Europe?

paxys 2y ago

Punishment. "Your government passes laws we don't like, so we aren't going to let you have our latest toys".

Arubis 2y ago

Glibly, Europe has the gall to even consider writing regulations without asking the regulated parties for permission.

pocketarc 2y ago
Between this and Apple's policies, big tech corporations really seem to be putting the screws to the EU as much as they can. "See, consumers? Look at how bad your regulation is, that you're missing out on all these cool things we're working on. Talk to your politicians!" Regardless of your political opinion on the subject, you've got to admit, at the very least, it will be educational to see how this develops over the next 5-10 years of tech progress, as the EU gets excluded from more and more things.
- DannyBee 2y ago
  Or, again, they are just deciding the economy isn't worth the cost. (or not worth prioritizing upfront or ....) When we had numerous discussions on HN as these rules were implemented, this is precisely what the europeans said should happen. So why does it now have to be some concerted effort to "put the screws to EU"? I otherwise agree it will be interesting, but mostly in the sense that i watched people swear up and down this was just about protecting EU citizens and they were fine with none of these companies doing anything in the EU or not prioritizing the EU if they decided it wasn't worth the cost. We'll see if that's true or not, i guess, or if they really wanted it to be "you have to do it, but on our terms" or whatever.
- imiric 2y ago
  > Between this and Apple's policies, big tech corporations really seem to be putting the screws to the EU as much as they can. Funny, I see that the other way around, actually. The EU is forcing Big Tech to be transparent and not exploit their users. It's the companies that must choose to comply, or take their business elsewhere. Let's not forget that Apple users in the EU can use 3rd-party stores, and it was EU regulations that forced Apple to switch to USB-C. All of these are a win for consumers. The reason Meta is not making their models available in the EU is because they can't or won't comply with the recent AI regulations. This only means that the law is working as intended. > it will be educational to see how this develops over the next 5-10 years of tech progress, as the EU gets excluded from more and more things. I don't think we're missing much that Big Tech has to offer, and we'll probably be better off for it. I'm actually in favor of even stricter regulations, particularly around AI, but what was recently enacted is a good start.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    > The reason Meta is not making their models available in the EU is because they can't or won't comply with the recent AI regulations. This only means that the law is working as intended. It isn't clear at all, and in fact given how light handed the European Commission when dealing with infringement cases (no fine before lots of warning and even clarification meetings about how to comply with the law) Meta would take no risk at all releasing something now even if they needed to roll it back later. They are definitely trying to put pressure on the European Commission, leveraging the fact that Thierry Breton was dismissed.
aftbit 2y ago
This makes it sound like some kind of retaliation, instead of Meta attempting to comply with the very regulations you're talking about. Maybe llama3.2 would violate the existing face recognition database policies?
DannyBee 2y ago
Why is it that and not just cost/benefit for them? They've decided it's not worth their time/energy to do it right now in a way that complies with regulation (or whatever) Isn't that precisely the choice the EU wants them to make? Either do it within the bounds of what we want, or leave us out of it?

weberer 2y ago

According to the open letter they linked, it looks to be regarding some regulation about the training data used. https://euneedsai.com/ https://euneedsai.com/