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And, like every vim emulator ever (with the possible exception of Emacs' spawn), it doesn't support all the vim keystrokes I use daily. My brain knows vim, and

by tsm 14y ago

And, like every vim emulator ever (with the possible exception of Emacs' spawn), it doesn't support all the vim keystrokes I use daily. My brain knows vim, and I'll code in vim. You don't see professional pianists perform on electric keyboards.

mattacular 14y ago
Umm what? Yes they do and that is a pretty terrible analogy even if they didn't. Why do you feel the need to pollute a release thread with your VIM elitism?
- kamaal 14y ago
  I think his point is right. Market a tool for what it is good at doing. If I want to use vim, I can use vim. Heck there are many things these days that will give you the same GUI candy what GUI based text editors give. Glossy text editors come and go every 2-3 years, Editors like Emacs and vim stay.
  - swah 14y ago
    On the other hand, what are the odds we're still using them in 100 years? Almost none. The next question then must be: when do we start writing the next generation of tools? Now, or should we wait?
    - kamaal 14y ago
      >>On the other hand, what are the odds we're still using them in 100 years? Firstly you are not going to live for the coming 100 years. So lets not worry about impossible scenarios. Secondly next generation tools for the next hundred years need to be designed such.
    - sj4nz 14y ago
      The original code for vi was written by Bill Joy in 1976. So, if we applied Gott's Principle and estimated the maximum upside of how long we'll be using Vi or Vi-like editors: 36 years × 39 = 1482 more years of Vi.
statictype 14y ago
That's what I used to think. Then I started using Sublime text and it's project management features (together with Ctrl-P/Cmd-P) and realized what a huge productivity booster it was to me. I know Vim has NerdTree and the equivalent Cmd-T plugin - I have tried them and they don't work out quite the same. There are still lots of things I like about Vim that aren't there in Sublime but it's all about compromises. I still use Vim for editing single files but use Sublime for any project that requires multiple files to be opened and edited.
batista 14y ago
>* You don't see professional pianists perform on electric keyboards.* Classical pianists don't. Every other kind of professional pianist does it all the time. Except if you don't consider someone like Keith Jarrett, Herby Hancock or Chick Corea a "professinal pianist". As for "not supporting all the vim keystrokes", ever heard of the 80/20 rule?

by tsm 14y ago

mattacular 14y ago

Umm what? Yes they do and that is a pretty terrible analogy even if they didn't. Why do you feel the need to pollute a release thread with your VIM elitism?

kamaal 14y ago
I think his point is right. Market a tool for what it is good at doing. If I want to use vim, I can use vim. Heck there are many things these days that will give you the same GUI candy what GUI based text editors give. Glossy text editors come and go every 2-3 years, Editors like Emacs and vim stay.
- swah 14y ago
  On the other hand, what are the odds we're still using them in 100 years? Almost none. The next question then must be: when do we start writing the next generation of tools? Now, or should we wait?
  - kamaal 14y ago
    >>On the other hand, what are the odds we're still using them in 100 years? Firstly you are not going to live for the coming 100 years. So lets not worry about impossible scenarios. Secondly next generation tools for the next hundred years need to be designed such.
  - sj4nz 14y ago
    The original code for vi was written by Bill Joy in 1976. So, if we applied Gott's Principle and estimated the maximum upside of how long we'll be using Vi or Vi-like editors: 36 years × 39 = 1482 more years of Vi.

statictype 14y ago

That's what I used to think. Then I started using Sublime text and it's project management features (together with Ctrl-P/Cmd-P) and realized what a huge productivity booster it was to me. I know Vim has NerdTree and the equivalent Cmd-T plugin - I have tried them and they don't work out quite the same. There are still lots of things I like about Vim that aren't there in Sublime but it's all about compromises. I still use Vim for editing single files but use Sublime for any project that requires multiple files to be opened and edited.

batista 14y ago

>* You don't see professional pianists perform on electric keyboards.* Classical pianists don't. Every other kind of professional pianist does it all the time. Except if you don't consider someone like Keith Jarrett, Herby Hancock or Chick Corea a "professinal pianist". As for "not supporting all the vim keystrokes", ever heard of the 80/20 rule?