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"AWS experts cost way more than old-school sysadmins" Where even is still hiring "old-school sysadmins" ? I've got bucketloads of experience in that. I grew up

"AWS experts cost way more than old-school sysadmins" Where even is still hiring "old-school sysadmins" ? I've got bucketloads of experience in that. I grew up setting up servers and systems for friends in a "pre-AWS" world and now it seems everything is cloud and kubernetes etc and it all just feels overly complex for the sake of it

dijit 2y ago
I think you’re responding to my blog article. Not to derail the thread here, but largely it’s hard to know if people are using on-prem, colo, etc or not because theres no brand name term: it’s just “knowledge”. So doesn't sit as nicely on a JD.
surfingdino 2y ago
Nobody. Everyone is now looking for xOps, where "x" is the latest acronym. Yesterday it was MLOps and AIOps, not sure about today.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  Those of us who moved on and accepted a degree of madness call ourselves SRE. It's supposed to be Site Reliability Engineering... but find it's just as well to replace the 's' with 'software'... or 'shit', if we're honest. We do sysadmin but Ops, too. Central point for all organizational baggage. Everyone outsources their operational garbage, had to make a catch-all role. Developers don't have release management skills? Security incident broke all your compiled software? Sold an impossible arrangement? Doesn't matter, SRE will do anything to keep the business running despite the business!
zifpanachr23 2y ago
HPC and Mainframe basically, but they both have quirks and extra bits required for the role due to the unique nature of the environments that never really existed in traditional old school web based sysadmin work from the 90s and 2000s, and sometimes the title isn't Sysadmin. So basically you aren't walking into one of those roles cause you admin'd a bunch of Apache servers back in the day or anything like that. Point being, there is still a market for "pets above cattle" style infra work. It is just in increasingly specialized and technically challenging areas.

dijit 2y ago

I think you’re responding to my blog article. Not to derail the thread here, but largely it’s hard to know if people are using on-prem, colo, etc or not because theres no brand name term: it’s just “knowledge”. So doesn't sit as nicely on a JD.

surfingdino 2y ago

Nobody. Everyone is now looking for xOps, where "x" is the latest acronym. Yesterday it was MLOps and AIOps, not sure about today.

bravetraveler 2y ago
Those of us who moved on and accepted a degree of madness call ourselves SRE. It's supposed to be Site Reliability Engineering... but find it's just as well to replace the 's' with 'software'... or 'shit', if we're honest. We do sysadmin but Ops, too. Central point for all organizational baggage. Everyone outsources their operational garbage, had to make a catch-all role. Developers don't have release management skills? Security incident broke all your compiled software? Sold an impossible arrangement? Doesn't matter, SRE will do anything to keep the business running despite the business!

zifpanachr23 2y ago

HPC and Mainframe basically, but they both have quirks and extra bits required for the role due to the unique nature of the environments that never really existed in traditional old school web based sysadmin work from the 90s and 2000s, and sometimes the title isn't Sysadmin. So basically you aren't walking into one of those roles cause you admin'd a bunch of Apache servers back in the day or anything like that. Point being, there is still a market for "pets above cattle" style infra work. It is just in increasingly specialized and technically challenging areas.