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If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look l
by keeptrying 2y ago
If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out.
Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?
- paxys 2y agoOr is it Sam who doesn't want to work with them?
- trashtester 2y agoCould be a mix. We don't know what happened behind close doors last winter. Sam may indeed be happy that they leave, as that consolidates his power. But they may be equally happy to leave, to get away from him.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoOpen AI fired her. She didn't drop out.
- keeptrying 2y agoDo you have any proof even circumstantial?
- _giorgio_ 2y agohttps://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technology-officer-mira-murati-complained-about-sam-altman/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technolo...
- enraged_camel 2y agoThat's not evidence, though?
- hilux 2y agoI mean ... common sense? Barring extreme illness or family circumstance, can you suggest any other reason (than firing) why a young person would voluntarily leave a plum job at the hottest, most high-profile, tech company in the world?
- _giorgio_ 2y agoYes. All the conspirators are out now. https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technology-officer-mira-murati-complained-about-sam-altman/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technolo...
- belter 2y agohttps://fortune.com/2024/09/25/sam-altman-psychedelic-experience-openai-ceo/ https://fortune.com/2024/09/25/sam-altman-psychedelic-experi...
- lionkor 2y agoMaybe its marketing and LLMs are the peak of what they are capable of.
- bossyTeacher 2y agoKind of. My money is on we have reached the point of diminishing returns. A bit like Machine Learning. Now it's all about exploiting business cases for LLMs. That's the only reason I can think as to why gpt5 won't be coming anytime soon and when it does it will be very underwhelming and will be the first public signal that we are past LLM peak and perhaps people will stop finally assuming that LLMs will reach AGI within their lifetimes
- bmitc 2y agoI continue to be surprised by the talk of general artifical intelligence when it comes to LLMs. At their core, they are text predictors, and they're often pretty good at that. But anything beyond that, they are decidely unimpressive. I use Copilot on a daily basis, which uses GPT 4 in the backend. It's wrong so often that I only really use it for boilerplate autocomplete, which I still have to review. I've had colleagues brag about ChatGPT in terms of code it produces, but when I ask how long it took in terms of prompting, I'll get an answer of around a day, and that was even using fragments of my code to prompt it. But then I explain that it would take me probably less than an hour from scratch to do what it took them and ChatGPT a full day to do. So I just don't understand the hype. I'm using Copilot and ChatGPT 4. What is everyone else using that gives them this idea that AGI is just around the corner? AI isn't even here. It's just advanced autocomplete. I can't understand where the disconnect is.
- berniedurfee 2y agoHere now, you just need a few more ice cold glasses of the kool-aide. Drink up! LLMs are not on the path to AGI. They’re a really cool parlor trick and will be powerful tools for lots of tasks, but won’t be sci-fi cool. Copilot is useful and has definitely sped up coding, but like you said, only in a boilerplate sort of way and I need to cleanup almost everything it writes.
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- uhtred 2y agoArtificial General Intelligence requires a bit more than parsing and predicting text I reckon.
- stathibus 2y agoat the very least you could say "parsing and predicting text, images, and audio". and you would be correct - physical embodiment and spatial reasoning are missing.
- ben_w 2y agoJust spatial resoning, people have already demonstrated it controlling robots.
- Yizahi 2y agoIt's all just text though, both images and audio are presented to LLM as a text, the training data is a text and all it does is append small bits of text to a larger text iteratively. So parent poster was correct.
- famouswaffles 2y ago>It's all just text though, both images and audio are presented to LLM as a text This is not true
- ben_w 2y agoYes, and transformer models can do more than text. There's almost certainly better options out there given it looks like we don't need so many examples to learn from, though I'm not at all clear if we need those better ways or if we can get by without due to the abundance of training data.
- rocqua 2y agoIf you come up with a new system, you're going to want to integrate AI into the system, presuming AI gets a bit better. If AI can only learn after people have used the system for a year, then your system will just get ignored. After all, it lacks AI. And hence it will never get enough training data to get AI integration. Learning needs to get faster. Otherwise, we will be stuck with the tools that already exist. New tools won't just need to be possible to train humans on, but also to train AIs on. Edit: a great example here is the Tamarin protocol prover. It would be great, and feasible, to get AI assistance to write these proofs. But there aren't enough proofs out there to train on.
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- onlyrealcuzzo 2y agoDoesn't (dyst)OpenAI have a clause that you can't say anything bad about the company after leaving? I'm not convinced these board members are able to say what they want when leaving.
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- presentation 2y agoThat (dyst) is a big stretch lol
- vl 2y agoBut it makes perfect sense to drop out and enjoy last couple years of pre-AGI bliss. Advances in AI even without AGI will lead to unemployment, recession, collapse of our economic structure, and then our social structure. Whatever is on the other side is not pretty. If you are on the forefront, know it’s coming imminently, and made your money, it makes perfect sense to leave and enjoy money and leisures money allows while money still worth something.
- bossyTeacher 2y agoI highly doubt that's the case. The US government will undoubtly seize OpenAI, the assets and employees way before it happens in the name of national security. I am pretty sure that they got a special team keeping an eye on the internal comms at openai to make sure they are on top of their internal affairs.
- sva_ 2y agoThey already got a retired army general who was head of the NSA on the board lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nakasone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nakasone
- cudgy 2y agoThey don’t have to seize the company. They are likely embedded already and can simply blackmail, legally harass, or “disappear” the uncooperative.
- andrepd 2y agoI'm having genuine trouble understanding if this is real or ironic.
- tirant 2y agoThe potential risks to humankind do not come from the development of AGI, but from the availability of AGI with a cost orders of magnitude inferior to the equivalent capacity coming from humans.
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- bamboozled 2y agoWill anyone be working for anyone if we had AGI?
- cabernal 2y agoCould be that the road to AGI that OpenAI is taking is basically massive scaling on what they already have, perhaps researchers want to take a different road to AGI.
- hilux 2y agoIt looks to ME like Sam is the absolute dictator, and is firing everyone else, probably promising a few million in RSUs (or whatever financial instrument) in exchange for their polite departure and promise of non-disparagement.