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I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an eff
by aresant 2y ago
I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.
- bg24 2y agoThis is the likely scenario. Every conflict at exec level comes with a "messaging" aspect, with there being a comms team, and board to manage that part.
- amenhotep 2y agoFailed coup? Altman managed to usurp the board's power, seems pretty successful to me
- optimalsolver 2y ago[flagged]
- richbell 2y agoFor fun: > In the sentence, the people responsible for the coup are implied to be Murati and Ilya. The phrase "Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam" suggests that they were the ones who attempted to remove Sam (presumably a leader or person in power) but failed, leading to a situation where they had to cooperate temporarily despite tensions.
- xwowsersx 2y agoI think OP means the failed coup in which they attempted to oust Altman?
- jordanb 2y agoYeah the GP's point is the board was acting within its purview by dismissing the CEO. The coup was the successful counter-campaign against the board by Altman and the investors.
- ethbr1 2y agoLet's be honest: in large part by Microsoft.
- llamaimperative 2y agoDoes it matter? The board made a decision and the CEO reversed it. There is no clearer example of a corporate coup.
- jeremyjh 2y agoThe successful coup was led by Satya Nadella.
- Barrin92 2y ago>but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup. Just to clear one thing up, the designated function of a board of directors is to appoint or replace the executive of an organisation, and openAI in particular is structured such that the non-profit part of the organisation controls the LLC. The coup was the executive, together with the investors, effectively turning that on its head by force.
- nopromisessir 2y agoHighly speculative. Also highly cynical. Some folks are professional and mature. In the best organisations, the management team sets the highest possible standard, in terms of tone and culture. If done well, this tends to trickle down to all areas of the organization. Another speculation would be that she's resigning for complicated reasons which are personal. I've had to do the same in my past. The real pro's give the benefit of the doubt.
- dfgtyu65r 2y agoThis feels naive, especially given what we now know about Open AI.
- nopromisessir 2y agoIf you care to detail supporting evidence, I'd be keen to see. Please no speculative pieces, rumor nor hearsay.
- apwell23 2y agoWell why was sam altman fired. it was never revealed. CEOs get fired all the time and company puts out a statement. I've never seen "we won't tell you why we fired our CEO" anywhere. now he is back making totally ridiculous statments like 'AI is going to solve all of physics' or that 'AI is going to clone my brain by 2027' This is a strange company.
- alephnerd 2y ago> This is a strange company. Because the old guard wanted it to remain a cliquey non-profit filled to the brim with EA, AI Alignment, and OpenPhilanthropy types, but the current OpenAI is now an enterprise company. This is just Sam Altman cleaning house after the attempted corporate coup a year ago.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
- bookofjoe 2y ago"When you strike at a king, you must kill him." — Emerson
- dangitman 2y ago[dead]
- sllewe 2y agoor an alternate - "Come at the king - you best not miss" -- Omar Little.
- ionwake 2y agothe real OG comment here
- macintux 2y ago“How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?”
- timy2shoes 2y ago“the King stay the King.” —- D’Angelo Barksdale
- ropable 2y ago"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die." - Cersei Lannister
- deepGem 2y agoWhy is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.
- widowlark 2y agoid imagine that level of honesty could still lead to billions lost in shareholder value - thus the grey area. Market obfuscation is a real thing.
- stagger87 2y agoIt's in nobodies best interest to do this especially when there is so much money at play.
- rvnx 2y agoA bit ironic for a non-profit
- mewpmewp2 2y agoAs I understand they are going to be stop being non-profit soonish now?
- dragonwriter 2y agoEveryone involved works at and has investments in a for-profit firm. The fact that it has a structure that subordinates it to the board of a non-profit would be only tangential to the interests involved even if that was meaningful and not just rhe lingering vestige of the (arguably, deceptive) founding that the combined organization was working on getting rid of.
- startupsfail 2y ago“the entire company has vouched for” is inconsistent with what we see now. Low/mid ranking employees were obviously tweeting in alignment with their management and by request.
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