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I think this is why they filed in the EU instead of the United States. The EU has demonstrated that they'll narrow the boundary of the market and ignore market

by quitit 2y ago

I think this is why they filed in the EU instead of the United States. The EU has demonstrated that they'll narrow the boundary of the market and ignore marketshare if they see there is an EU-centric advantage to be had. This also lends into Google's opening wording where they frame the behaviour as a threat to the EU, rather than a threat to Google's Cloud business. Or a more controversial take: The EU has demonstrated a naive over-eagerness to legislate in tech matters despite the absence of harm. (Versus a more conservative USA that is wary of upending industries without proven harm.)

lenkite 2y ago
> The EU has demonstrated a naive over-eagerness to legislate in tech matters despite the absence of harm. You mean the EU is not as deeply corrupt as good old USA and actually cares about anti-competitive behavior. This is the opposite of the USA that will blow a LOT of hot air but never truly target and penalize any big company that is bribing the political establishment with campaign funding ?
- quitit 2y ago
  The EU uses “anticompetitive” concern as marketing for protectionism. If not, then Spotify would be a deemed a gatekeeper under the DMA. Instead Spotify met with the commission more than 65 times during the development of the DMA. Plus has the lowest pay out rates to artists of the leading music services, the fewest and slowest developing feature profile, the largest targeted consumer ad tracking network, and have progressively raised prices in recent months. So no, the EU isn’t whatever you think it is.
  - lenkite 2y ago
    Are you referring to the €1.8 billion Anti-trust fine against Apple ? Where Spotify met the EU commission 65 times during the course of its investigation ? What is wrong with that ? NO one should be forced to kneel to Apple's ridiculous criminal mafia pricing. Considering that Spotify sells music on its web-site, why should Apple abuse power to force payment through themselves, obtain a free pass on theft and mandate higher prices on everyone ? Blatant American corporate robbery through forced threats of expulsion should no longer be tolerated by the rest of the world and it is good that the EU is fighting back.
    - quitit 2y ago
      Lol, Spotify has precisely -zero- customers through Apple's IAP. Tell me, what do you think 65 meetings are needed for when Spotify's dues to Apple are literally just the annual developer account fee. So no, the EU isn't some bastion of fairness and moral right. By this example they're more corrupt and persuaded by their businesses than the USA.
      - lenkite 2y ago
        It seems you are either uninformed or deliberately ignoring the real issue. Apple requires developers who use the entitlement to pay a 27 percent fee (reduced for subscriptions older than one year and for small businesses) on all website purchases referred by Apple. So if Spotify puts a link in its app and a user clicks it and subscribes, Spotify would owe Apple a 27 percent commission. Directly after the European Commission's ruling, Spotify on March 5 submitted an EU app update that had information on subscription pricing and links to its websites for customers to make purchases. This was prior to when Apple had announced its entitlement plan. Apple ignored Spotify's app update, and Spotify complained on March 14 that Apple had not "acknowledged or responded" to its App Store submission. Spotify at the time called on the European Commission to force Apple to approve its app update. The antitrust ruling from the European Commission fined Apple nearly $2 billion and mandated that Apple "remove anti-steering provisions" for music apps in the European Economic Area. And that is utterly just. The only "corruption" is Apple becoming a heady tyrant abusing the power of their platform as a hammer to rob the rest of the world. They have the corrupt US administration in their pocket, but thankfully, not the EU. The EU is one of the few governments that can actually stand up to American corporate tyranny and actually win.

by quitit 2y ago

lenkite 2y ago

> The EU has demonstrated a naive over-eagerness to legislate in tech matters despite the absence of harm. You mean the EU is not as deeply corrupt as good old USA and actually cares about anti-competitive behavior. This is the opposite of the USA that will blow a LOT of hot air but never truly target and penalize any big company that is bribing the political establishment with campaign funding ?

quitit 2y ago
The EU uses “anticompetitive” concern as marketing for protectionism. If not, then Spotify would be a deemed a gatekeeper under the DMA. Instead Spotify met with the commission more than 65 times during the development of the DMA. Plus has the lowest pay out rates to artists of the leading music services, the fewest and slowest developing feature profile, the largest targeted consumer ad tracking network, and have progressively raised prices in recent months. So no, the EU isn’t whatever you think it is.
- lenkite 2y ago
  Are you referring to the €1.8 billion Anti-trust fine against Apple ? Where Spotify met the EU commission 65 times during the course of its investigation ? What is wrong with that ? NO one should be forced to kneel to Apple's ridiculous criminal mafia pricing. Considering that Spotify sells music on its web-site, why should Apple abuse power to force payment through themselves, obtain a free pass on theft and mandate higher prices on everyone ? Blatant American corporate robbery through forced threats of expulsion should no longer be tolerated by the rest of the world and it is good that the EU is fighting back.
  - quitit 2y ago
    Lol, Spotify has precisely -zero- customers through Apple's IAP. Tell me, what do you think 65 meetings are needed for when Spotify's dues to Apple are literally just the annual developer account fee. So no, the EU isn't some bastion of fairness and moral right. By this example they're more corrupt and persuaded by their businesses than the USA.
    - lenkite 2y ago
      It seems you are either uninformed or deliberately ignoring the real issue. Apple requires developers who use the entitlement to pay a 27 percent fee (reduced for subscriptions older than one year and for small businesses) on all website purchases referred by Apple. So if Spotify puts a link in its app and a user clicks it and subscribes, Spotify would owe Apple a 27 percent commission. Directly after the European Commission's ruling, Spotify on March 5 submitted an EU app update that had information on subscription pricing and links to its websites for customers to make purchases. This was prior to when Apple had announced its entitlement plan. Apple ignored Spotify's app update, and Spotify complained on March 14 that Apple had not "acknowledged or responded" to its App Store submission. Spotify at the time called on the European Commission to force Apple to approve its app update. The antitrust ruling from the European Commission fined Apple nearly $2 billion and mandated that Apple "remove anti-steering provisions" for music apps in the European Economic Area. And that is utterly just. The only "corruption" is Apple becoming a heady tyrant abusing the power of their platform as a hammer to rob the rest of the world. They have the corrupt US administration in their pocket, but thankfully, not the EU. The EU is one of the few governments that can actually stand up to American corporate tyranny and actually win.