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I wish there was a job search website where to actually advertise a position there were mandatory requirements like the company name and salary being displayed

by bobbles 14y ago

I wish there was a job search website where to actually advertise a position there were mandatory requirements like the company name and salary being displayed as part of the ad. Whats the reasoning behind posting completely vague job descriptions (sometimes the location isn't even provided!). I Would say 90% of the job postings I see online don't even give me enough information to want to contact them.

dennisgorelik 14y ago
How would job board enforce that?
- bobbles 14y ago
  Mandatory form fields? Is that what you mean?
  - dennisgorelik 14y ago
    What would prevent recruiter from putting fake data into these fields? For salary it could be "negotiable" or "competitive". For company name it could be name of recruiting company (not actual employer) or just plain fake. Besides, sometimes employers don't want to advertise their openings publicly (may be to avoid getting flooded by irrelevant applications or prevent panic among existing employees).
    - mgkimsal 14y ago
      Everything would need to be vetted and approved manually. There would be a sort of self-selection that would come in to play - the only companies that would advertise there would be companies that are comfortable being public with that sort of specific information. The salary one would probably need to be a range - $60k-$75k, for example. This sets expectations on both sides, although it might not stop a lot of misfit submissions, but those aren't generally stopped now anyway.
    - chris_wot 14y ago
      Not really a problem. I've wasted my time on at least one interview for a non-existent job. If you are a candidate worth it's salt, then you do some research into the company. If it's a recruitment company, then I'd not go for job :-) I'd have a "flag for false data" link. Also, if you did this in Australia, then you could have an ABN number field that is mandatory to be filled in.
zalew 14y ago
> posting completely vague job descriptions My favorite is sth like "Your responsibility will include writing software according to the provided technical spec."
haberman 14y ago
Sort of like this? http://careers.joelonsoftware.com/jobs http://careers.joelonsoftware.com/jobs Doesn't show salaries, but in many cases it's probably highly negotiable and dependent on experience.
dspillett 14y ago
> Whats the reasoning behind posting completely vague job descriptions (sometimes the location isn't even provided!). Usually that is because there is no job. The recruitment agency is trying to farm candidate details for two purposes: firstly so they can make claims to employers about how many people they have on their books with given skillsets and secondly so they have people to present to companies when they register a position as available.
- flyinRyan 14y ago
  It can also be political. Companies want to hire cheap foreign labor but are forbidden to if they can find native workers (various EU countries have this) so they'll advertise a job with bad conditions and low pay and then after not being able to fill it for some time they show it as evidence of skill shortage.

by bobbles 14y ago

dennisgorelik 14y ago

How would job board enforce that?

bobbles 14y ago
Mandatory form fields? Is that what you mean?
- dennisgorelik 14y ago
  What would prevent recruiter from putting fake data into these fields? For salary it could be "negotiable" or "competitive". For company name it could be name of recruiting company (not actual employer) or just plain fake. Besides, sometimes employers don't want to advertise their openings publicly (may be to avoid getting flooded by irrelevant applications or prevent panic among existing employees).
  - mgkimsal 14y ago
    Everything would need to be vetted and approved manually. There would be a sort of self-selection that would come in to play - the only companies that would advertise there would be companies that are comfortable being public with that sort of specific information. The salary one would probably need to be a range - $60k-$75k, for example. This sets expectations on both sides, although it might not stop a lot of misfit submissions, but those aren't generally stopped now anyway.
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Not really a problem. I've wasted my time on at least one interview for a non-existent job. If you are a candidate worth it's salt, then you do some research into the company. If it's a recruitment company, then I'd not go for job :-) I'd have a "flag for false data" link. Also, if you did this in Australia, then you could have an ABN number field that is mandatory to be filled in.

zalew 14y ago

> posting completely vague job descriptions My favorite is sth like "Your responsibility will include writing software according to the provided technical spec."

haberman 14y ago

Sort of like this? http://careers.joelonsoftware.com/jobs http://careers.joelonsoftware.com/jobs Doesn't show salaries, but in many cases it's probably highly negotiable and dependent on experience.

dspillett 14y ago

> Whats the reasoning behind posting completely vague job descriptions (sometimes the location isn't even provided!). Usually that is because there is no job. The recruitment agency is trying to farm candidate details for two purposes: firstly so they can make claims to employers about how many people they have on their books with given skillsets and secondly so they have people to present to companies when they register a position as available.

flyinRyan 14y ago
It can also be political. Companies want to hire cheap foreign labor but are forbidden to if they can find native workers (various EU countries have this) so they'll advertise a job with bad conditions and low pay and then after not being able to fill it for some time they show it as evidence of skill shortage.