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1. "The name Nazaré is the Portuguese version of Nazareth" ok y'all, I know you're working on edge tech, but lets cool the rhetoric down a little bit. Can't bel

by bbor 2y ago

1. "The name Nazaré is the Portuguese version of Nazareth" ok y'all, I know you're working on edge tech, but lets cool the rhetoric down a little bit. Can't believe the PR-minded execs approved this choice. 2. "It was so challenging that we thought we had less than a 10% chance of pulling it off successfully." Definitely a targeted message to the activist investors urging FB to stick to social media haha. Love it, and believe them 100% on the specific claim! Supposedly Apple Vision came about when they finally gave up on traditional AR (for now). 3. "Zuckerberg imagines that people will want to use AR glasses like Orion for two primary purposes: communicating with each other through digital information overlaid on the real world — which he calls “holograms” — and interacting with AI." I hope to god "AI" as a term looses steam -- basically all he's saying is that this computer will be used for computing. Yes, indeed. 4. "To demonstrate how two people wearing Orion together could interact with the same holograms, I played a 3D take on Pong with Zuckerberg... Zuckerberg beat me, unfortunately." I find it somewhat hilarious how Zuckerberg, Bezos and Elon are simultaneously some of the most powerful people to ever live, and at the same time mascots for multinational conglomerates bigger than they could ever hope to truly understand or control. Zuckerberg is obviously the best mascot out of the bunch, and this is only further proof of that. 5. Wow, the Neural Wristband is insanely cool. Just... wow. I haven't seen anyone even hinting at that, but it seems incredibly obvious in hindsight. See this exploratory paper: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12652-020-01852-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12652-020-01852-z Hilariously, it seems that the initial consumer usecase was a $200 powerpoint remote -- props to the free market! https://wearabletech.io/myo-bracelet https://wearabletech.io/myo-bracelet . 6. I feel like calling EMG "neural" is a stretch, it seems to be monitoring muscle contraction events only... Is anyone else convinced that they're intentionally using the word to prepare consumers for upcoming non-invasive EEG BCI tech, now that LLM approaches like DeWave have unlocked it? They've certainly got an uphill battle ahead of them to separate it from a) scary scifi and b) scary invasive EEG BCI like Neuralink. But it's just the obvious next step; the glasses already touch your frontal cortex, even!

escapecharacter 2y ago
Context: I'm a former CTRL Labs & Meta employee. "neural" was a somewhat contentious term to academics, but it's the easiest way to describe to consumers. Academics consider neural interfaces to be directly touching the neurons, whether an invasive BCI, or an invasive device touching part of the peripheral nervous system. Technically this is a "neuromotor" interface, motor meaning detecting muscle, rather than neuron, activity. This makes academics happy but confuses some people, so neural it is.
ta8903 2y ago
Might not be related but "Nazar" means vision in Hindi.
the-rc 2y ago
What do you mean by "monitoring muscle contraction events only"? Not trying to argue with you, just understanding how the technology is being perceived. If I hold your fist/fingers and you try to make gestures, how do you expect the device to behave? I.e., if you think of a movement and signal that intention, but are not capable of carrying that through, because of someone else's hand, a mug, etc.
- bbor 2y ago
  Interesting question! I would guess that electrical signals to contract muscles occur IFF the muscles exert some force, regardless of whether the muscles are actually able to overcome other forces and physically contract. So I would guess that it would work as if no one was holding my hand. I'm guessing this naive understanding is off the mark, from the phrasing of your question?
  - the-rc 2y ago
    I was trying to figure if by "contraction events" you meant the actual motion or the signal to initiate that. Maybe it was the former, but it looks like you meant the latter. The wristband's EMG sensors can't detect the motion of the fingers themselves, of course, because it's on the wrist (and the signal passes through that before the relatively slow muscles have had time to act upon it). There are videos of people able to control virtual hands even with partial or missing fingers, be that since birth or after some event, see e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woXmJMw2lTM&t=4717s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woXmJMw2lTM&t=4717s

by bbor 2y ago

escapecharacter 2y ago

Context: I'm a former CTRL Labs & Meta employee. "neural" was a somewhat contentious term to academics, but it's the easiest way to describe to consumers. Academics consider neural interfaces to be directly touching the neurons, whether an invasive BCI, or an invasive device touching part of the peripheral nervous system. Technically this is a "neuromotor" interface, motor meaning detecting muscle, rather than neuron, activity. This makes academics happy but confuses some people, so neural it is.

ta8903 2y ago

Might not be related but "Nazar" means vision in Hindi.

the-rc 2y ago

What do you mean by "monitoring muscle contraction events only"? Not trying to argue with you, just understanding how the technology is being perceived. If I hold your fist/fingers and you try to make gestures, how do you expect the device to behave? I.e., if you think of a movement and signal that intention, but are not capable of carrying that through, because of someone else's hand, a mug, etc.

bbor 2y ago
Interesting question! I would guess that electrical signals to contract muscles occur IFF the muscles exert some force, regardless of whether the muscles are actually able to overcome other forces and physically contract. So I would guess that it would work as if no one was holding my hand. I'm guessing this naive understanding is off the mark, from the phrasing of your question?
- the-rc 2y ago
  I was trying to figure if by "contraction events" you meant the actual motion or the signal to initiate that. Maybe it was the former, but it looks like you meant the latter. The wristband's EMG sensors can't detect the motion of the fingers themselves, of course, because it's on the wrist (and the signal passes through that before the relatively slow muscles have had time to act upon it). There are videos of people able to control virtual hands even with partial or missing fingers, be that since birth or after some event, see e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woXmJMw2lTM&t=4717s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woXmJMw2lTM&t=4717s