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Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think th

Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

candiddevmike 2y ago
> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? I think in this instance it's probably "let Meta record people and associate the data to their shadow profiles". Doubly creepy.
prettymuchnoone 2y ago
well they're not going to be sold to consumers (apparently they cost like 10k-ish to make)...but i'm curious how they'd do motion tracking without cameras though...
- baby 2y ago
  they have two tiny insects inside the device that are attracted and trying to bite the pupil in your eyes, by measuring their orientation they can figure out where you're looking
- squeaky-clean 2y ago
  I think they mean the cameras shouldn't be available in user-space / app-space. But I still bet there would be some sort of jailbreak tutorial available a couple days after the retail launch.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  WiFi 7?
wlesieutre 2y ago
If they do it like their current Ray Ban glasses, there's an LED on the front that lights up when it's recording. People will no doubt disable it though.
- baby 2y ago
  you can't disable it, and it doesn't really matter anyway because nobody seems to notice it. I have videos of all my friends the first time I run into them using the glasses, and none of them realize that I'm recording them unless I stare at them for long enough without moving.
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    You can't disable it in software. You can put a piece of tape over it, fill it with black nail polish, let the smoke out of the LED, or otherwise keep the light from being visible.
    - itsyaboi 2y ago
      This particular LED not only emits light but works in reverse as well: it functions as an ambient light sensor. Recording is paused if the LED and camera inputs have a significant difference in detected light levels.
      - wlesieutre 2y ago
        Huh, that’s a good trick! I figured it was like the AirTag speakers. Props to Facebook for making it less circumventable.
wilsonnb3 2y ago
The world has changed a lot in the decade since Google Glass, the stigma around public recording of video is pretty much gone.
- timeon 2y ago
  Not only that. I remember when spyware was considered as bad thing. Now every other page is asking you to by spied on like it is something normal.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Its one thing to record in public, another to stick a camera in someone's face. I did wear the Wayfarers around and only one person commented on them (a hotel manager who recognized them while checking me in) but I definitely didn't feel comfortable just taking pictures of people without their knowing, ended up returning them because I never got a picture worth sharing anyway. Besides, if there wasn't stigma they wouldn't have to make it so stealthy.
baby 2y ago
I wear my Meta glasses all the time and use them to record all the time. It's fine, you're already surrounded by people who brandish their phones to record everything.
- regularfry 2y ago
  Yeah, but people who brandish their phones know that they're performing the act of recording. Glasses that record are exactly not that.
  - baby 2y ago
    it's better with glasses actually as you have to stare at what you're recording (whereas hidden cameras and phones can record without you realizing that)
    - regularfry 2y ago
      No, it isn't. That gives the social cue "I am watching you". It explicitly, intentionally avoids giving the cue "I am recording you". It is misleading. Yes, there are other ways to mislead. That doesn't excuse this one.
- wewtyflakes 2y ago
  As someone who does not wear these things; it is not fine.
  - buildbot 2y ago
    Yep, creepy, and illegal in some places.
  - baby 2y ago
    heh, it's 2024
    - wewtyflakes 2y ago
sekai 2y ago
> I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass). Sergey Brin sitting sad in the corner after reading this
pnw 2y ago
There's dozens of different styles of camera glasses available on Amazon today for a fraction of the price, with completely concealed cameras. I think that train left the station years ago.
- wewtyflakes 2y ago
  Those are also creepy; it does not mean that it takes away the creepiness of this.
- greener_grass 2y ago
  And those don't have mass adoption. If Meta wants this kind of device to sell well, they need to distance themselves from them.
KaiserPro 2y ago
> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Thats basically all cameras. AR is coming, whether meta makes it work or not. There are ways around this, but they either require a massive public backlash, or actual regulation that requires explicit and provable permission before non-anonymised pictures/captures can be taken.
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richardlblair 2y ago
> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? I get it, it's icky. I feel the same way. Nevertheless, this is already a thing.

candiddevmike 2y ago

> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? I think in this instance it's probably "let Meta record people and associate the data to their shadow profiles". Doubly creepy.

prettymuchnoone 2y ago

well they're not going to be sold to consumers (apparently they cost like 10k-ish to make)...but i'm curious how they'd do motion tracking without cameras though...

baby 2y ago
they have two tiny insects inside the device that are attracted and trying to bite the pupil in your eyes, by measuring their orientation they can figure out where you're looking
squeaky-clean 2y ago
I think they mean the cameras shouldn't be available in user-space / app-space. But I still bet there would be some sort of jailbreak tutorial available a couple days after the retail launch.
jazzyjackson 2y ago
WiFi 7?

wlesieutre 2y ago

If they do it like their current Ray Ban glasses, there's an LED on the front that lights up when it's recording. People will no doubt disable it though.

baby 2y ago
you can't disable it, and it doesn't really matter anyway because nobody seems to notice it. I have videos of all my friends the first time I run into them using the glasses, and none of them realize that I'm recording them unless I stare at them for long enough without moving.
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  You can't disable it in software. You can put a piece of tape over it, fill it with black nail polish, let the smoke out of the LED, or otherwise keep the light from being visible.
  - itsyaboi 2y ago
    This particular LED not only emits light but works in reverse as well: it functions as an ambient light sensor. Recording is paused if the LED and camera inputs have a significant difference in detected light levels.
    - wlesieutre 2y ago
      Huh, that’s a good trick! I figured it was like the AirTag speakers. Props to Facebook for making it less circumventable.

wilsonnb3 2y ago

The world has changed a lot in the decade since Google Glass, the stigma around public recording of video is pretty much gone.

timeon 2y ago
Not only that. I remember when spyware was considered as bad thing. Now every other page is asking you to by spied on like it is something normal.
jazzyjackson 2y ago
Its one thing to record in public, another to stick a camera in someone's face. I did wear the Wayfarers around and only one person commented on them (a hotel manager who recognized them while checking me in) but I definitely didn't feel comfortable just taking pictures of people without their knowing, ended up returning them because I never got a picture worth sharing anyway. Besides, if there wasn't stigma they wouldn't have to make it so stealthy.

baby 2y ago

I wear my Meta glasses all the time and use them to record all the time. It's fine, you're already surrounded by people who brandish their phones to record everything.

regularfry 2y ago
Yeah, but people who brandish their phones know that they're performing the act of recording. Glasses that record are exactly not that.
- baby 2y ago
  it's better with glasses actually as you have to stare at what you're recording (whereas hidden cameras and phones can record without you realizing that)
  - regularfry 2y ago
    No, it isn't. That gives the social cue "I am watching you". It explicitly, intentionally avoids giving the cue "I am recording you". It is misleading. Yes, there are other ways to mislead. That doesn't excuse this one.
wewtyflakes 2y ago
As someone who does not wear these things; it is not fine.
- buildbot 2y ago
  Yep, creepy, and illegal in some places.
- baby 2y ago
  heh, it's 2024
  - wewtyflakes 2y ago

sekai 2y ago

> I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass). Sergey Brin sitting sad in the corner after reading this

pnw 2y ago

There's dozens of different styles of camera glasses available on Amazon today for a fraction of the price, with completely concealed cameras. I think that train left the station years ago.

wewtyflakes 2y ago
Those are also creepy; it does not mean that it takes away the creepiness of this.
greener_grass 2y ago
And those don't have mass adoption. If Meta wants this kind of device to sell well, they need to distance themselves from them.

KaiserPro 2y ago

> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Thats basically all cameras. AR is coming, whether meta makes it work or not. There are ways around this, but they either require a massive public backlash, or actual regulation that requires explicit and provable permission before non-anonymised pictures/captures can be taken.

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richardlblair 2y ago

> Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? I get it, it's icky. I feel the same way. Nevertheless, this is already a thing.