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I’m visiting Chiang Mai Thailand and China is flooding the roads with cheap EVs, BYD, Hozon. There is charging infrastructure everywhere. I don’t know how the U

I’m visiting Chiang Mai Thailand and China is flooding the roads with cheap EVs, BYD, Hozon. There is charging infrastructure everywhere. I don’t know how the United States is going to compete.

mikestew 2y ago
So far it would seem that the U. S. is tackling that competition with tariffs. OTOH, I’m not sure what it would take to get a (for example) BYD to pass crash testing, and if it would still be price-competitive.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  BYD cars already get top crash ratings in European tests. For example: https://youtu.be/7ThTci70350?si=8-gTWRr1_jTdZam0 https://youtu.be/7ThTci70350?si=8-gTWRr1_jTdZam0.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > BYD cars already get top crash ratings in European tests I see it coming up in the top 10 for 2023, but not 2024 [1]. Just not released yet? [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=51097,49446&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicle...
- dpkirchner 2y ago
  It's so frustrating that rather than treat the climate crisis as an actual crisis, we've instead decided to heavily tax EV buyers in order to support domestic manufacturers that have been dragging their feet for decades.
iphoneisbetter 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Tariffs of 100% on China EVs is a nuclear weapon to prevent them from gaining any ground here Doesn't matter if Chinese manufacturers enjoy economies of scale from supplying Europe, South and Southeast Asia, Africa and South America. If American automakers are constrained to America and grow complacent, the compounding effects of learning curves and R&D advantage due to greater total profits will leave us with a fleet of Ladas. At the end of the day we have to compete. Other than Tesla, we are uncompetitive in the mass market. The tariffs are meant to give us a safe harbor. But they don't automatically deliver us an edge.
- oakesm9 2y ago
  A Global Times article says that China has 3,000,000 public EV chargers[0] US Department of Energy data has the number for the USA and Canada combined as 66,650[1] This might not be Apples to Apples as the USA numbers might be "sites" and the china number might be "chargers", but I don't think there's anywhere close to an average of 45 chargers per site to make up the difference. [0] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314382.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314382.shtml [1]https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations

I’m visiting Chiang Mai Thailand and China is flooding the roads with cheap EVs, BYD, Hozon. There is charging infrastructure everywhere. I don’t know how the United States is going to compete.

mikestew 2y ago

So far it would seem that the U. S. is tackling that competition with tariffs. OTOH, I’m not sure what it would take to get a (for example) BYD to pass crash testing, and if it would still be price-competitive.

DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
BYD cars already get top crash ratings in European tests. For example: https://youtu.be/7ThTci70350?si=8-gTWRr1_jTdZam0 https://youtu.be/7ThTci70350?si=8-gTWRr1_jTdZam0.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > BYD cars already get top crash ratings in European tests I see it coming up in the top 10 for 2023, but not 2024 [1]. Just not released yet? [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=51097,49446&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicle...
dpkirchner 2y ago
It's so frustrating that rather than treat the climate crisis as an actual crisis, we've instead decided to heavily tax EV buyers in order to support domestic manufacturers that have been dragging their feet for decades.

iphoneisbetter 2y ago

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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Tariffs of 100% on China EVs is a nuclear weapon to prevent them from gaining any ground here Doesn't matter if Chinese manufacturers enjoy economies of scale from supplying Europe, South and Southeast Asia, Africa and South America. If American automakers are constrained to America and grow complacent, the compounding effects of learning curves and R&D advantage due to greater total profits will leave us with a fleet of Ladas. At the end of the day we have to compete. Other than Tesla, we are uncompetitive in the mass market. The tariffs are meant to give us a safe harbor. But they don't automatically deliver us an edge.
oakesm9 2y ago
A Global Times article says that China has 3,000,000 public EV chargers[0] US Department of Energy data has the number for the USA and Canada combined as 66,650[1] This might not be Apples to Apples as the USA numbers might be "sites" and the china number might be "chargers", but I don't think there's anywhere close to an average of 45 chargers per site to make up the difference. [0] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314382.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314382.shtml [1]https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations