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> Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano Ooo, I was just at the Target in Richardson Monday and yes, yes they do. Razor blades are 100% locked up, the elec

> Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano Ooo, I was just at the Target in Richardson Monday and yes, yes they do. Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show, and whitening strips are in prison. > And please, once again, explain what benefit the store gets from locking up merchandise if it has nothing to do with shoplifting? What positive outcomes comes from it from the business' perspective? Probably none. But I'm saying they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. They're not doing it thinking "oh this locking up is good outside of shoplifting". No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. But is it on a scale worth preventing? Depends on store to store and area to area. > 74.1% of retailers report increases in external theft over 5 years To be completely fair, a lot of this is 100% their own fault. At this point the customers are employees. They have to find everything themselves and they have to check-out and bag themselves. Naturally less employee intervention means more stealing. I could've told you that 10 years ago, but these retailers are so short-sighted and greedy they don't care. My local walmart ONLY has self-check lanes. That's 1 employee per, like, 20 people checking out at the same time. Versus 1-1 before. A 20 times reduction in oversight, of course shit gets stolen. After a certain point we have to come back down to Earth and acknowledge the human condition.

vel0city 2y ago
> Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show Ok, but both of those things have been behind cases for a decade+. I remember needing to get an associate to get a Nintendo 64 game from the cabinet at Toys-R-Us. I'm talking about the recent push to put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things. Cabinets so pervasive you can't even buy socks or Tylenol or toothpaste without getting an associate. Walmart and Target stores where there are turnstiles to get in and out of the store. CVS/Walgreens locations where practically every isle is locked cabinets. I'm talking about the recent push to put far more stuff in cabinets. I don't think you've seen the kinds of stores these people here are actually talking about if you're thinking razorblades in cabinets are the epitome of what people here are complaining about. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. > No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding. > a lot of this is 100% their own fault. Blaming the victim here. If they didn't want their stuff stolen they wouldn't have made it so easy to steal!
- consteval 2y ago
  > Blaming the victim here I'm not of the opinion that multi-billion dollar corporations can even be victims. They have too much capital and political power to be victims of anything. > So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding You're misunderstanding. The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious. The question is SHOULD THEY? I think corps jumped on the opportunity without the proper analysis. > put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things Right. Which is why I'm shocked you don't believe, or refuse to consider, the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here. If they're putting penny items behind locks my mind naturally will wonder if that's worth it. Instead, you're concluding that the shoplifting must be so incredibly severe that even penny items must be locked up. This seems wildly unreasonable to me. What, is every other person a mass shoplifter?
  - vel0city 2y ago
    > The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious You literally stated these cabinets are not preventing shoplifting. Direct quote from your previous comment. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not I'll take it as maybe you misspoke here, but I don't see any other way of reading that other than "they're not [preventing shop lifting]". The person I was originally replying to was absolutely suggesting shoplifting practically doesn't happen and that these cabinets are entirely unrelated to shoplifting. That no, they did not set up these cabinets as any response to shoplifting. So, it's not obvious to a lot of people. > The question is SHOULD THEY? Uh, yeah, they should prevent shoplifting. Shoplifting increases costs for everyone actually trying to buy things. Overall, we should be trying to prevent and stop shoplifting, its bad for society overall. Unless you're arguing rampant theft is a good thing overall for society and a society which steals all the time is a healthy and good society. > What, is every other person a mass shoplifter? In some locations, kind of? As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread I've personally seen people come into stores, open a box of trash bags, fill the bags with stuff, and walk out the store. It happens, and quite often in some places. > If they're putting penny items They're not penny items. They're $20+ items which are now far easier to resell thanks to things like Amazon not questioning where stuff comes from and the rise of people using Facebook Marketplace and other online storefronts like that. Remember, a bottle of Tylenol or cold medicine or a pack of Fruit of the Loom socks can now be around $25. Grab a dozen or so of each of these items, sell them at half price, and you're up a few hundred bucks. Pretty low risk since so many jurisdictions these days won't actually enforce it at all, and technically there's nothing illegal about selling socks on Facebook Marketplace. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/organized-shoplifting-rings-work-police-one-ohio-town-are-fighting-bac-rcna9802 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/organized-shoplift... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/inside-organized-crime-rings-targeting-retailers-ulta-tjx-walgreens.html?msockid=0fe5b142a836612518bda1dba9976023 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/inside-organized-crime-rings... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTNB5zo5tI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTNB5zo5tI These kinds of organized shoplifting groups have greatly increased in the past few years. Usage of things like FBM exploded. But hey, you were just arguing shoplifting hasn't increased much, so you'll probably also argue this just doesn't happen. > the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here You're stating it as if it is a fact. Where's the actual hard analysis you're presenting to prove this fact? Why do you refuse consider that maybe they did do the analysis? Just a few days ago you were of the opinion shoplifting was trending down, why are your thoughts from your wandering mind absolute truths?

vel0city 2y ago

> Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show Ok, but both of those things have been behind cases for a decade+. I remember needing to get an associate to get a Nintendo 64 game from the cabinet at Toys-R-Us. I'm talking about the recent push to put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things. Cabinets so pervasive you can't even buy socks or Tylenol or toothpaste without getting an associate. Walmart and Target stores where there are turnstiles to get in and out of the store. CVS/Walgreens locations where practically every isle is locked cabinets. I'm talking about the recent push to put far more stuff in cabinets. I don't think you've seen the kinds of stores these people here are actually talking about if you're thinking razorblades in cabinets are the epitome of what people here are complaining about. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. > No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding. > a lot of this is 100% their own fault. Blaming the victim here. If they didn't want their stuff stolen they wouldn't have made it so easy to steal!

consteval 2y ago
> Blaming the victim here I'm not of the opinion that multi-billion dollar corporations can even be victims. They have too much capital and political power to be victims of anything. > So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding You're misunderstanding. The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious. The question is SHOULD THEY? I think corps jumped on the opportunity without the proper analysis. > put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things Right. Which is why I'm shocked you don't believe, or refuse to consider, the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here. If they're putting penny items behind locks my mind naturally will wonder if that's worth it. Instead, you're concluding that the shoplifting must be so incredibly severe that even penny items must be locked up. This seems wildly unreasonable to me. What, is every other person a mass shoplifter?
- vel0city 2y ago
  > The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious You literally stated these cabinets are not preventing shoplifting. Direct quote from your previous comment. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not I'll take it as maybe you misspoke here, but I don't see any other way of reading that other than "they're not [preventing shop lifting]". The person I was originally replying to was absolutely suggesting shoplifting practically doesn't happen and that these cabinets are entirely unrelated to shoplifting. That no, they did not set up these cabinets as any response to shoplifting. So, it's not obvious to a lot of people. > The question is SHOULD THEY? Uh, yeah, they should prevent shoplifting. Shoplifting increases costs for everyone actually trying to buy things. Overall, we should be trying to prevent and stop shoplifting, its bad for society overall. Unless you're arguing rampant theft is a good thing overall for society and a society which steals all the time is a healthy and good society. > What, is every other person a mass shoplifter? In some locations, kind of? As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread I've personally seen people come into stores, open a box of trash bags, fill the bags with stuff, and walk out the store. It happens, and quite often in some places. > If they're putting penny items They're not penny items. They're $20+ items which are now far easier to resell thanks to things like Amazon not questioning where stuff comes from and the rise of people using Facebook Marketplace and other online storefronts like that. Remember, a bottle of Tylenol or cold medicine or a pack of Fruit of the Loom socks can now be around $25. Grab a dozen or so of each of these items, sell them at half price, and you're up a few hundred bucks. Pretty low risk since so many jurisdictions these days won't actually enforce it at all, and technically there's nothing illegal about selling socks on Facebook Marketplace. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/organized-shoplifting-rings-work-police-one-ohio-town-are-fighting-bac-rcna9802 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/organized-shoplift... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/inside-organized-crime-rings-targeting-retailers-ulta-tjx-walgreens.html?msockid=0fe5b142a836612518bda1dba9976023 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/inside-organized-crime-rings... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTNB5zo5tI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTNB5zo5tI These kinds of organized shoplifting groups have greatly increased in the past few years. Usage of things like FBM exploded. But hey, you were just arguing shoplifting hasn't increased much, so you'll probably also argue this just doesn't happen. > the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here You're stating it as if it is a fact. Where's the actual hard analysis you're presenting to prove this fact? Why do you refuse consider that maybe they did do the analysis? Just a few days ago you were of the opinion shoplifting was trending down, why are your thoughts from your wandering mind absolute truths?