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>Wow, that's a lot of disorders Eh, a bunch of those are just a part of the package that comes with AuDHD[0], Specifically these three: - Pathological demand

>Wow, that's a lot of disorders Eh, a bunch of those are just a part of the package that comes with AuDHD[0], Specifically these three: - Pathological demand avoidance [1] - Rejection sensitive dysphoria [2] - Sensory processing disorder [3] Then these two are can easily result from trying to live up to neurotypical expectations at one's expense: - Persistent adjustment disorder - Generalized anxiety disorder [4] ...and those, plus compounding trauma/cPTSD, easily yield this: - Severely deficient autobiographical memory (Which might, in itself, be a manifestation of Time Blindness [5]). Personally, I don't consider these two as disorders[6] or limitations: - Aphantasia - Autism spectrum disorder That's not to diminish the difficulty of living with any (much less all) of those conditions; just to say that they are not uncorrelated, and often come together. The rest (namely, these three) have an overlap in traits with Autism: - Developmental coordination disorder (Dyspraxia) - Obsessive-compulsive disorder - Chronic fatigue syndrome (Myalgic encephalomyelitis) Of those, fatigue in general is common with autistic people, as masking can result in it. The PSA here is that techniques, methods, tools, etc. that help Autistic/ADHD people are likely to alleviate the symptoms of everything on this list to some extent. So if you find the list of issues relatable, but have not yet looked into Autistic/ADHD resources and communities, I would recommend taking a look to see if you find anything that you can add to your toolbox. _____ [0] Talking from experience. See below; main page: https://romankogan.net/adhd https://romankogan.net/adhd [1] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Being%20Told%20What%20To%20Do https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Being%20Told%20What%20To%20Do [2] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Rejection%20Sensitivity https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Rejection%20Sensitivity [3] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Auditory%20Processing https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Auditory%20Processing [4] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Depression https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Depression [5] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Time%20Perception https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Time%20Perception [6] I know two three people with Aphantasia, and one of them was a geometry/topology mathematician (who has since left academia for software). He's at least as good in geometry as I am, and I'm a highly visual person (I'm a mathematician as well), and we share the same interest in photography (we both got Fuji X100), so at the very least, it's not obvious that it's an impairment to him to do anything. While ADHD traits can be great to have if you are in the right environment, they also come with very obvious drawbacks. Autistic traits, on the other hand, have been a perk for me. In general, many of the pathologized aspects of the so-called "high-functioning" autism are issues that allistic people have with autistic people, and not something that autistic people perceive as a problem for themselves. Research has shown that e.g. communication issues aren't significant in fully allistic groups or fully autisitc groups, but may appear between allistics and autistics (and therefore amount to protocol difference - which can be solved from either side accommodating the other).

skrebbel 2y ago
> - Chronic fatigue syndrome (Myalgic encephalomyelitis) > Of those, fatigue in general is common with autistic people, as masking can result in it. You clearly have not the slightest clue what ME is, so how can you judge? Protip, it's not "I feel a bit tired all the time". Look up what PEM (post-exertional malaise) does to people.
- romwell 2y ago
  It is evident that you misunderstood what I wrote. Please read it again. Some comments: -I am not equating ME with fatigue in general; -The fatigue that I say is not uncommon in autistic people is "I can't get out of bed for a day after making a phone call" kind of fatigue; -I made no judgement in my comment, period (side note: the phrase "you have not the slightest clue" is a judgement, however). To re-iterate, my point was that: - There are significant overlaps between autism and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) [1], in both symptoms and comorbidities; - Autistic people are more likely to experience CFS/ME [2]; - What helps autistic people with fatigue is not unlikely to help CFS/ME fatigue, and vice versa (follows from the above two). Both of those points are scientifically supported. Please see [1][2], from which the above statements are literal quotes. The links between autism and CFS/ME are subject of ongoing active research. I ask you to read this (and the previous) comment, read the two references below, and come back here and comment on what you concluded. [1] https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autism-and-health-issues https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autism-and-health-is... [2] https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-have-increased-risk-of-chronic-physical-health-conditions-across-the-whole-body https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-hav...
  - skrebbel 2y ago
    My conclusion hasn't changed. People with bad ME spend 99% of their lives lying down in darkness. I recognize that phone calls can be extremely draining for autistic people, but walking 12 steps can be equally draining for people with ME. It's only comparable when you make two lists of symptoms and compare them by checking boxes, disregarding qualitative aspects. It's the medical equivalent of tech HR people saying you can swap any C++ programmer out with a different C++ programmer, because they both got "C++" on their CV. It's hard for me to qualitatively reject your comments here because you're being very precise, and quote all kinds of sources that look very sciencey, whereas I only have the lived experience of myself and people near me. All I can say is that ME is a bitch, and your comments make me feel like you think ME isn't so bad and is just part of the package of autism so deal with it. You say that your point is that "What helps autistic people with fatigue is not unlikely to help CFS/ME fatigue", but nobody was arguing otherwise. In fact, you made that point in response to a comment that merely said "wow that's many disorders! ME is a bitch!". This makes it seem very much like you're downplaying the life struggles of people with many disorders and/or ME. I can imagine you don't mean to, but it's how it comes across. It's that implication that I object to. When you say "Damn I hate spinach" and I start listing the many health benefits of spinach, and studies that show that well actually, 84% of people really like the taste of spinach, and other studies that show how spinach is an acquirable taste, I doubt you'd experience that as helpful. This is how I feel reading your comments here.

skrebbel 2y ago

> - Chronic fatigue syndrome (Myalgic encephalomyelitis) > Of those, fatigue in general is common with autistic people, as masking can result in it. You clearly have not the slightest clue what ME is, so how can you judge? Protip, it's not "I feel a bit tired all the time". Look up what PEM (post-exertional malaise) does to people.

romwell 2y ago
It is evident that you misunderstood what I wrote. Please read it again. Some comments: -I am not equating ME with fatigue in general; -The fatigue that I say is not uncommon in autistic people is "I can't get out of bed for a day after making a phone call" kind of fatigue; -I made no judgement in my comment, period (side note: the phrase "you have not the slightest clue" is a judgement, however). To re-iterate, my point was that: - There are significant overlaps between autism and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) [1], in both symptoms and comorbidities; - Autistic people are more likely to experience CFS/ME [2]; - What helps autistic people with fatigue is not unlikely to help CFS/ME fatigue, and vice versa (follows from the above two). Both of those points are scientifically supported. Please see [1][2], from which the above statements are literal quotes. The links between autism and CFS/ME are subject of ongoing active research. I ask you to read this (and the previous) comment, read the two references below, and come back here and comment on what you concluded. [1] https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autism-and-health-issues https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autism-and-health-is... [2] https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-have-increased-risk-of-chronic-physical-health-conditions-across-the-whole-body https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-hav...
- skrebbel 2y ago
  My conclusion hasn't changed. People with bad ME spend 99% of their lives lying down in darkness. I recognize that phone calls can be extremely draining for autistic people, but walking 12 steps can be equally draining for people with ME. It's only comparable when you make two lists of symptoms and compare them by checking boxes, disregarding qualitative aspects. It's the medical equivalent of tech HR people saying you can swap any C++ programmer out with a different C++ programmer, because they both got "C++" on their CV. It's hard for me to qualitatively reject your comments here because you're being very precise, and quote all kinds of sources that look very sciencey, whereas I only have the lived experience of myself and people near me. All I can say is that ME is a bitch, and your comments make me feel like you think ME isn't so bad and is just part of the package of autism so deal with it. You say that your point is that "What helps autistic people with fatigue is not unlikely to help CFS/ME fatigue", but nobody was arguing otherwise. In fact, you made that point in response to a comment that merely said "wow that's many disorders! ME is a bitch!". This makes it seem very much like you're downplaying the life struggles of people with many disorders and/or ME. I can imagine you don't mean to, but it's how it comes across. It's that implication that I object to. When you say "Damn I hate spinach" and I start listing the many health benefits of spinach, and studies that show that well actually, 84% of people really like the taste of spinach, and other studies that show how spinach is an acquirable taste, I doubt you'd experience that as helpful. This is how I feel reading your comments here.