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It's not clear from this statement, but it sounds like FB are alleging that DT are limiting access to FB apps and services to clients who are DT customers beca

It's not clear from this statement, but it sounds like FB are alleging that DT are limiting access to FB apps and services to clients who are DT customers because FB are not paying DT ? This would go against Net neutrality principles but I don't see any facts which support those claims by FB. So it's not clear what this is all about when it seems it broke down during contract renegotians. This seems dubious though given the German market is extremely well regulated. Also I've never heard of a provider requesting payments for delivering externally hosted services. Maybe some special cases might exists for things like Netflix bandwidth tunnels with ISP's but that's usually a request from the service provider to have special traffic lanes. Edit : DT customers are being limited.

rsingel 2y ago
It's not dubious. That's exactly what DT has been doing for a long time. DT is partly owned by the German government, which might explain why it's been allowed to be a bully. It ran this same shakedown routine on an academic network in the middle of the pandemic. It's run this against Hetzner. It's the same playbook that Comcast/Verizon/Time Warner used vs Netflix/Cogent/League of Legends in 2014. https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2024/09/a-deutsche-telekom-shakedown-will-instagram-facebook-whatsapp-slow-to-a-crawl/ https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2024/09/a-deutsche-teleko..."
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > It's run this against Hetzner. * https://web.archive.org/web/20151208135240/http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Double_Paid_Traffic/en https://web.archive.org/web/20151208135240/http://wiki.hetzn... The reputation of DT(AG) is not good: * https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3uuulg/this_is_what_hetzner_a_local_hosting_provider_has/ https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3uuulg/this_is_... * https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1fpe8p9/meta_depeers_deutsche_telekom/ https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1fpe8p9/meta_de...

rsingel 2y ago

It's not dubious. That's exactly what DT has been doing for a long time. DT is partly owned by the German government, which might explain why it's been allowed to be a bully. It ran this same shakedown routine on an academic network in the middle of the pandemic. It's run this against Hetzner. It's the same playbook that Comcast/Verizon/Time Warner used vs Netflix/Cogent/League of Legends in 2014. https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2024/09/a-deutsche-telekom-shakedown-will-instagram-facebook-whatsapp-slow-to-a-crawl/ https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2024/09/a-deutsche-teleko..."

throw0101d 2y ago
> It's run this against Hetzner. * https://web.archive.org/web/20151208135240/http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Double_Paid_Traffic/en https://web.archive.org/web/20151208135240/http://wiki.hetzn... The reputation of DT(AG) is not good: * https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3uuulg/this_is_what_hetzner_a_local_hosting_provider_has/ https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3uuulg/this_is_... * https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1fpe8p9/meta_depeers_deutsche_telekom/ https://old.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1fpe8p9/meta_de...