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The Deutsche Telekom didn't force Meta to use the private interconnecT. They kept it open after meta wanted 40% off the previous price and the talks broke up.

by stop50 2y ago

mananaysiempre 2y ago
TFA manages to say everything except what actually happened and why it’s this particular peering negotiation they decided to whine about. (Settlement-free peering is cutthroat at the best of times, as best as I can understand from the outside, so it is unclear why this is even news.) So could you elaborate on the actual history here?
- stop50 2y ago
  The german news article i found explains it quite good: https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-telekom-fuer-peering-bezahlen-2405-185159.html https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-tele... .
- nicholasbraker 2y ago
  What do you mean with "cutthroat"?
  - mananaysiempre 2y ago
    I mean stuff like “we agreed on settlement-free peering at a time when you were sending me about as much as I you, but now you’re sending me 20% more / your traffic is small enough I figure I can pressure you / etc. so the deal’s off, you pay me now.” That’s what I’ve heard, anyway—I’m sure there are people maintaining actual tier-1 networks lurking around here.
    - immibis 2y ago
      Tier-1 networks have very clear requirements for settlement-free peering, and only do it with other tier 1 networks. This is about tier 2.
alias_neo 2y ago
"but given the court ruling concerning the unprecedented and unacceptable fees demanded" Sounds like Meta threw its toys out of the pram because German courts didn't bow to their demands. I'd love to hear more details on the "real" story, and not Meta's PR bullshit.
- stop50 2y ago
  I only have an german article: https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-telekom-fuer-peering-bezahlen-2405-185159.html https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-tele...
  - alias_neo 2y ago
    Thanks. The article sounds like Meta wanted 40% off, DT offered 16%, they couldn't agree. DT allowed the traffic to continue while it waited for an agreement to be made and Meta abused it, then said something along the lines of "well, they've been letting us send traffic for free so...", and the court told Meta to fuck off, because that wasn't the terms of the previous contract.

The Deutsche Telekom didn't force Meta to use the private interconnecT. They kept it open after meta wanted 40% off the previous price and the talks broke up.

by stop50 2y ago

The Deutsche Telekom didn't force Meta to use the private interconnecT. They kept it open after meta wanted 40% off the previous price and the talks broke up.

mananaysiempre 2y ago

TFA manages to say everything except what actually happened and why it’s this particular peering negotiation they decided to whine about. (Settlement-free peering is cutthroat at the best of times, as best as I can understand from the outside, so it is unclear why this is even news.) So could you elaborate on the actual history here?

stop50 2y ago
The german news article i found explains it quite good: https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-telekom-fuer-peering-bezahlen-2405-185159.html https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-tele... .
nicholasbraker 2y ago
What do you mean with "cutthroat"?
- mananaysiempre 2y ago
  I mean stuff like “we agreed on settlement-free peering at a time when you were sending me about as much as I you, but now you’re sending me 20% more / your traffic is small enough I figure I can pressure you / etc. so the deal’s off, you pay me now.” That’s what I’ve heard, anyway—I’m sure there are people maintaining actual tier-1 networks lurking around here.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Tier-1 networks have very clear requirements for settlement-free peering, and only do it with other tier 1 networks. This is about tier 2.

alias_neo 2y ago

"but given the court ruling concerning the unprecedented and unacceptable fees demanded" Sounds like Meta threw its toys out of the pram because German courts didn't bow to their demands. I'd love to hear more details on the "real" story, and not Meta's PR bullshit.

stop50 2y ago
I only have an german article: https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-telekom-fuer-peering-bezahlen-2405-185159.html https://www.golem.de/news/kabel-nicht-gezogen-meta-muss-tele...
- alias_neo 2y ago
  Thanks. The article sounds like Meta wanted 40% off, DT offered 16%, they couldn't agree. DT allowed the traffic to continue while it waited for an agreement to be made and Meta abused it, then said something along the lines of "well, they've been letting us send traffic for free so...", and the court told Meta to fuck off, because that wasn't the terms of the previous contract.