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When something is not available in EU, you instantly know they're up to no good. edit: Sorry if privacy hurts your feelings, people who downvote me.

by guappa 2y ago

lynx23 2y ago
> ... you instantly know they're up to no good. You're refering to the EU here, right?
- guappa 2y ago
  No. Not that everything they do is good. But something being illegal in the EU is a bad indicator for sure.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    On privacy, I agree. AI it's harder to say, especially with the attitudes of the people making it being a split personality mix of "wow this is incredible it might kill everyone" — that's enough of a surprise to legislators that I don't know what to predict nor who has the right approach from USA (e/acc), EU (conservative), China (not sure, suspect 'harmonious' but acknowledge I'm projecting a national stereotype).
  - pelorat 2y ago
    Right, but this is not illegal, nor is the AI act any sort of criminal law. At Unsurprisingly all they want is to avoid insane fines due to vague EU regulations.
mewpmewp2 2y ago
To give benefit of the doubt, it could also be just about a review process, it might come available after a review. E.g. one valid use-case would be about storing your voice recording on the cloud in a tokenized format. Because the model is now directly taking your voice, which I assume as tokens, it can't be immediately deleted as opposed to speech to text, which can be quickly used to convert to text and then deleted.
throwaway13337 2y ago
Mario Draghi - EU central bank president - created a huge report for the EU that was just published. He singled out overregulation as a key issue in european progress. Specifically, the report called out GDPR costing small businesses 'more than' 15% of their profits. This is indeed quite a hurdle. Privacy isn't really the issue - it's regulation that understands that complexity has a cost. We, as developers, should understand the deep, deep cost of complexity. As a business owner that respects privacy a great deal, GDPR and regulation like it are still an immense hurdle - the cost in understanding and in doing things to the letter of the law is, I think, hard to grasp from the outside. Regulations occupy a huge amount of space in my head that was previously filled with making a better product. PDF available here: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/strengthening-european-competitiveness/eu-competitiveness-looking-ahead_en https://commission.europa.eu/topics/strengthening-european-c...
- guappa 2y ago
  Lol. Citing Mario Draghi to convince someone? Who's next? Satan?

When something is not available in EU, you instantly know they're up to no good. edit: Sorry if privacy hurts your feelings, people who downvote me.

by guappa 2y ago

When something is not available in EU, you instantly know they're up to no good. edit: Sorry if privacy hurts your feelings, people who downvote me.

lynx23 2y ago

> ... you instantly know they're up to no good. You're refering to the EU here, right?

guappa 2y ago
No. Not that everything they do is good. But something being illegal in the EU is a bad indicator for sure.
- ben_w 2y ago
  On privacy, I agree. AI it's harder to say, especially with the attitudes of the people making it being a split personality mix of "wow this is incredible it might kill everyone" — that's enough of a surprise to legislators that I don't know what to predict nor who has the right approach from USA (e/acc), EU (conservative), China (not sure, suspect 'harmonious' but acknowledge I'm projecting a national stereotype).
- pelorat 2y ago
  Right, but this is not illegal, nor is the AI act any sort of criminal law. At Unsurprisingly all they want is to avoid insane fines due to vague EU regulations.

mewpmewp2 2y ago

To give benefit of the doubt, it could also be just about a review process, it might come available after a review. E.g. one valid use-case would be about storing your voice recording on the cloud in a tokenized format. Because the model is now directly taking your voice, which I assume as tokens, it can't be immediately deleted as opposed to speech to text, which can be quickly used to convert to text and then deleted.

throwaway13337 2y ago

Mario Draghi - EU central bank president - created a huge report for the EU that was just published. He singled out overregulation as a key issue in european progress. Specifically, the report called out GDPR costing small businesses 'more than' 15% of their profits. This is indeed quite a hurdle. Privacy isn't really the issue - it's regulation that understands that complexity has a cost. We, as developers, should understand the deep, deep cost of complexity. As a business owner that respects privacy a great deal, GDPR and regulation like it are still an immense hurdle - the cost in understanding and in doing things to the letter of the law is, I think, hard to grasp from the outside. Regulations occupy a huge amount of space in my head that was previously filled with making a better product. PDF available here: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/strengthening-european-competitiveness/eu-competitiveness-looking-ahead_en https://commission.europa.eu/topics/strengthening-european-c...

guappa 2y ago
Lol. Citing Mario Draghi to convince someone? Who's next? Satan?