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Fedi Is for Losers

22 points by Tomte 2y ago

jackdaniel 2y ago
Some of us are hanging out to interact with peers and to share cool hacks. Nothing to do with winning or losing; not all social interactions can be reduced to a psychological warfare.
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pwpwp 2y ago
> covid I don't understand this part. The people who left X after Musk's takeover seem to be mostly people who were on the winning side of Covid, i.e. the side that used the state and media apparatus to coerce people to participate in a medical experiment.
ZunarJ5 2y ago
This guy doesn't understand the Fediverse.
- Gibbon1 2y ago
  I got banned for racism because I didn't like someones post about whiteness. So the Fediverse is a fake community like all the rest of them.
  - ZunarJ5 2y ago
    You may want to consider how this all sounds to an outsider.
    - Gibbon1 2y ago
      If you ban people because you disagree with them then you don't have a community.
      - ZunarJ5 2y ago
        Oh, I disagree with plenty of people on there but I've found several communities on there which have helped me offline as well.
      - krapp 2y ago
        Yes you do. Communities by definition have mores and norms that members of that community are expected to understand follow, and violating those can lead to one being chastised or expelled from the community. That's the way human social networks have operated since paleolithic times. Allowing everyone and everything, all the time, is the exact opposite of a community, it's simply a crowd. But even in a crowd, there are limits to what people will put up with.
    - LightHugger 2y ago
      I have seen a large number of otherwise presenting as perfectly normal fediverse instances about normal topics, where if you scroll down in the rules, the last rule is "being racist against whites is not against the rules" or sometimes phrased "reverse racism is not real" or "reports about people expressing their pain towards groups such as whites and men will be ignored" That's the truth of the context we're dealing with here, the pendulum has swung far enough that racist lunatics are incredibly common in positions of power on these instances. Here is one example i found in 5 minutes, this is the first result for "academic mastodon" in search engines. > Users of Scholar Social are expected to have the literacy to understand that "reverse discrimination" is not real, and so attempts to re-centre discussions of marginalized people around the feelings of the privileged will be taken as manipulative behaviour undertaken deliberately in bad-faith. (E.g. white people should not demand that people of colour put CW's on every discussion of race; a straight person who reports a queer person for writing "I hate straight people" may find their own account suspended.) Like, whoever wrote this is a blatant bigot, and yet most of the high profile mastodon instances are run by people like this.
      - ZunarJ5 2y ago
        There is a lot of context for that you may want to consider reading up on, but I doubt you have interest, so why get angry? There is more than one instance to chose from. That community clearly isn't for you. It's a decentralised network with various niches. You don't have to engage with everyone. It's not Twitter.
        LightHugger 2y ago
        There is no defense or context whatsoever that justifies racial, gender or sexuality based hatred being directly defended and encouraged in the rules of a community. I also find it interesting, last post you were suggesting people consider the perspective of an uninformed outsider. Now it's "Oh there's context inside the community". Take your own advice.
        ZunarJ5 2y ago
  - TheChaplain 2y ago
    Not really, there are plenty of communities with diverse opinions as well. And just like in real life, belonging to a community or group may require you to be aligned to a certain mindset/opinion that is important to the group.
  - latexr 2y ago
    > I got banned for racism because I didn't like someones post about whiteness. Unless you’re saying you were banned for not favouriting someone’s post (which is literally unbelievable), there’s something missing in that story. You don’t even mention if the post was pro, against, or neutral. I understand not wanting to dox yourself, but being too sparse on details doesn’t look good for your assessment either. > So the Fediverse is a fake community like all the rest of them. The fediverse is not a single community but a collection of communities, that is the whole point. You can move around and find the right server for you.
    - Gibbon1 2y ago
      Nah I got banned for saying idiots race baiting white people is why Democrats are always down 5-10% with white voters.
Distilitron 2y ago
Exactly.
deafpolygon 2y ago
There seems to be an influx of anti-fediverse style post/articles lately. Is there a reason for this ?
- jaggs 2y ago
  On point.
tetris11 2y ago
.. I've started to view people in two categories: those who want to have a discussion, and those who want to win a discussion. The former group doesn't care about popularity, just the free exchange of ideas with the intent of forming a new understanding. The latter group needs a stage and a megaphone, and measures the success of their beliefs by how many people they can get applauding, even if it's just a fraction of the entire audience. I stay clear of the latter.
Brian_K_White 2y ago
Fediverse is BBS's. I loved the entire time of BBS's, both consciously at the time and now in retrospect, somehow, despite there being no thought of it's general popularity or winning or whatever. "Fork it" or "patches welcome" is not hacker for go fuck yourself. It can be, but that is up to the speaker in each specific instance, and if this article is how this person thinks then perhaps it often is when spoken to them.

22 points by Tomte 2y ago

Some of us are hanging out to interact with peers and to share cool hacks. Nothing to do with winning or losing; not all social interactions can be reduced to a psychological warfare.

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pwpwp 2y ago

> covid I don't understand this part. The people who left X after Musk's takeover seem to be mostly people who were on the winning side of Covid, i.e. the side that used the state and media apparatus to coerce people to participate in a medical experiment.

ZunarJ5 2y ago

This guy doesn't understand the Fediverse.

Gibbon1 2y ago
I got banned for racism because I didn't like someones post about whiteness. So the Fediverse is a fake community like all the rest of them.
- ZunarJ5 2y ago
  You may want to consider how this all sounds to an outsider.
  - Gibbon1 2y ago
    If you ban people because you disagree with them then you don't have a community.
    - ZunarJ5 2y ago
      Oh, I disagree with plenty of people on there but I've found several communities on there which have helped me offline as well.
    - krapp 2y ago
      Yes you do. Communities by definition have mores and norms that members of that community are expected to understand follow, and violating those can lead to one being chastised or expelled from the community. That's the way human social networks have operated since paleolithic times. Allowing everyone and everything, all the time, is the exact opposite of a community, it's simply a crowd. But even in a crowd, there are limits to what people will put up with.
  - LightHugger 2y ago
    I have seen a large number of otherwise presenting as perfectly normal fediverse instances about normal topics, where if you scroll down in the rules, the last rule is "being racist against whites is not against the rules" or sometimes phrased "reverse racism is not real" or "reports about people expressing their pain towards groups such as whites and men will be ignored" That's the truth of the context we're dealing with here, the pendulum has swung far enough that racist lunatics are incredibly common in positions of power on these instances. Here is one example i found in 5 minutes, this is the first result for "academic mastodon" in search engines. > Users of Scholar Social are expected to have the literacy to understand that "reverse discrimination" is not real, and so attempts to re-centre discussions of marginalized people around the feelings of the privileged will be taken as manipulative behaviour undertaken deliberately in bad-faith. (E.g. white people should not demand that people of colour put CW's on every discussion of race; a straight person who reports a queer person for writing "I hate straight people" may find their own account suspended.) Like, whoever wrote this is a blatant bigot, and yet most of the high profile mastodon instances are run by people like this.
    - ZunarJ5 2y ago
      There is a lot of context for that you may want to consider reading up on, but I doubt you have interest, so why get angry? There is more than one instance to chose from. That community clearly isn't for you. It's a decentralised network with various niches. You don't have to engage with everyone. It's not Twitter.
      - LightHugger 2y ago
        There is no defense or context whatsoever that justifies racial, gender or sexuality based hatred being directly defended and encouraged in the rules of a community. I also find it interesting, last post you were suggesting people consider the perspective of an uninformed outsider. Now it's "Oh there's context inside the community". Take your own advice.
        ZunarJ5 2y ago
- TheChaplain 2y ago
  Not really, there are plenty of communities with diverse opinions as well. And just like in real life, belonging to a community or group may require you to be aligned to a certain mindset/opinion that is important to the group.
- latexr 2y ago
  > I got banned for racism because I didn't like someones post about whiteness. Unless you’re saying you were banned for not favouriting someone’s post (which is literally unbelievable), there’s something missing in that story. You don’t even mention if the post was pro, against, or neutral. I understand not wanting to dox yourself, but being too sparse on details doesn’t look good for your assessment either. > So the Fediverse is a fake community like all the rest of them. The fediverse is not a single community but a collection of communities, that is the whole point. You can move around and find the right server for you.
  - Gibbon1 2y ago
    Nah I got banned for saying idiots race baiting white people is why Democrats are always down 5-10% with white voters.

Distilitron 2y ago

Exactly.

deafpolygon 2y ago

There seems to be an influx of anti-fediverse style post/articles lately. Is there a reason for this ?

jaggs 2y ago
On point.

tetris11 2y ago

.. I've started to view people in two categories: those who want to have a discussion, and those who want to win a discussion. The former group doesn't care about popularity, just the free exchange of ideas with the intent of forming a new understanding. The latter group needs a stage and a megaphone, and measures the success of their beliefs by how many people they can get applauding, even if it's just a fraction of the entire audience. I stay clear of the latter.

Brian_K_White 2y ago

Fediverse is BBS's. I loved the entire time of BBS's, both consciously at the time and now in retrospect, somehow, despite there being no thought of it's general popularity or winning or whatever. "Fork it" or "patches welcome" is not hacker for go fuck yourself. It can be, but that is up to the speaker in each specific instance, and if this article is how this person thinks then perhaps it often is when spoken to them.