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It's become painfully obvious Mozilla has abandon Firefox and are just exploiting what's left of it's reputation for profit. It time to fork Firefox and kick Mo

It's become painfully obvious Mozilla has abandon Firefox and are just exploiting what's left of it's reputation for profit. It time to fork Firefox and kick Mozilla to the curb.

zihotki 2y ago
There are already a plenty of forks. We need another player on the field. https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/ looks very promising.
- KingOfCoders 2y ago
  Yes hopefully ladybird is the final nail in Mozillas coffin and the ladybird team shows that you don't need >$6.000.000.000 to build a proper browser. (written in Firefox)
- bugtodiffer 2y ago
  It's promising but like 10 years behind chromium
- youngtaff 2y ago
  Nah, not using Ladybird as I don’t want to support the person building it for various reasons
  - stephantul 2y ago
    Can you give more info?
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  First alpha in 2026…
- weare138 2y ago
  Ladybird does look really cool but what I mean is an alternative to the Mozilla Foundation as an official steward of what should be Firefox. Basically what Mozilla was originally created to do but obviously isn't anymore. They're just exploiting Firefox's users now. How much of what Mozilla brings in is actually going to improving Firefox? Google, the maker of the largest competitor in he browser market, has been paying off Mozilla's leadership to not compete in the browser market for like a decade now. Go research how much the c-suite was making over there at Mozilla while they were gutting the Firefox dev teams. And now Mozilla is straight up data mining Firefox's users. They obviously don't care what the users of Firefox think anymore because no one in the community asked for any of this crap. I don't think this needs to be explained to anyone here but modern web browsers are complicated as hell. We need viable open-source browsers but we also need a way to fund their development. Again what Mozilla was intended for. Hell it doesn't even need to be centered around Firefox specifically but we need some viable alternative to manage and fund these vital open-source projects.
Aachen 2y ago
For comments like these I wonder how a Firefox developer would read it. You're doing an honest job on an open source browser, fixing bugs, patching vulnerabilities, adding features to keep up with web standards, knowing virtually nobody pays for it — Google needs to fund your paycheck because no one else can be arsed. And then you see opinions like the ones in this thread about how evil you "obviously" are and how you're supposedly milking the brand name > painfully obvious [that it's] time to fork Firefox and kick Mozilla to the curb What's probably painful and apparently not obvious is how many developer hours go into upkeep and staying current for a modern browser (to me, they seem about as complex and elaborate as your average operating system, not that that's necessarily a good thing)
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > Google needs to fund your paycheck because no one else can be arsed. I'd pay for it if that were an option, but it isn't.
  - Aachen 2y ago
    https://donate.mozilla.org https://donate.mozilla.org Better this than hoping Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge has your best interests at heart, is my thinking
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      Those donations don't go to Firefox development.
      - Aachen 2y ago
        Are they earmarked for something else then?
        aragilar 2y ago
        No money flows from mozorg to mozcorp (the non profit can't give money to the for profit), and mozcorp develops Firefox. Mozorg is supposed to do advocacy, but it seems MYOB is better at it than Mozilla, and more effective too.

It's become painfully obvious Mozilla has abandon Firefox and are just exploiting what's left of it's reputation for profit. It time to fork Firefox and kick Mozilla to the curb.

zihotki 2y ago

There are already a plenty of forks. We need another player on the field. https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/ looks very promising.

KingOfCoders 2y ago
Yes hopefully ladybird is the final nail in Mozillas coffin and the ladybird team shows that you don't need >$6.000.000.000 to build a proper browser. (written in Firefox)
bugtodiffer 2y ago
It's promising but like 10 years behind chromium
youngtaff 2y ago
Nah, not using Ladybird as I don’t want to support the person building it for various reasons
- stephantul 2y ago
  Can you give more info?
d1sxeyes 2y ago
First alpha in 2026…
weare138 2y ago
Ladybird does look really cool but what I mean is an alternative to the Mozilla Foundation as an official steward of what should be Firefox. Basically what Mozilla was originally created to do but obviously isn't anymore. They're just exploiting Firefox's users now. How much of what Mozilla brings in is actually going to improving Firefox? Google, the maker of the largest competitor in he browser market, has been paying off Mozilla's leadership to not compete in the browser market for like a decade now. Go research how much the c-suite was making over there at Mozilla while they were gutting the Firefox dev teams. And now Mozilla is straight up data mining Firefox's users. They obviously don't care what the users of Firefox think anymore because no one in the community asked for any of this crap. I don't think this needs to be explained to anyone here but modern web browsers are complicated as hell. We need viable open-source browsers but we also need a way to fund their development. Again what Mozilla was intended for. Hell it doesn't even need to be centered around Firefox specifically but we need some viable alternative to manage and fund these vital open-source projects.

Aachen 2y ago

For comments like these I wonder how a Firefox developer would read it. You're doing an honest job on an open source browser, fixing bugs, patching vulnerabilities, adding features to keep up with web standards, knowing virtually nobody pays for it — Google needs to fund your paycheck because no one else can be arsed. And then you see opinions like the ones in this thread about how evil you "obviously" are and how you're supposedly milking the brand name > painfully obvious [that it's] time to fork Firefox and kick Mozilla to the curb What's probably painful and apparently not obvious is how many developer hours go into upkeep and staying current for a modern browser (to me, they seem about as complex and elaborate as your average operating system, not that that's necessarily a good thing)

JohnFen 2y ago
> Google needs to fund your paycheck because no one else can be arsed. I'd pay for it if that were an option, but it isn't.
- Aachen 2y ago
  https://donate.mozilla.org https://donate.mozilla.org Better this than hoping Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge has your best interests at heart, is my thinking
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    Those donations don't go to Firefox development.
    - Aachen 2y ago
      Are they earmarked for something else then?
      - aragilar 2y ago
        No money flows from mozorg to mozcorp (the non profit can't give money to the for profit), and mozcorp develops Firefox. Mozorg is supposed to do advocacy, but it seems MYOB is better at it than Mozilla, and more effective too.