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So there are two solutions to the noise problem, better sound isolation or putting dwellings further apart. Why have you decided that one solution is an obviou

So there are two solutions to the noise problem, better sound isolation or putting dwellings further apart. Why have you decided that one solution is an obvious winner over the other? I really think you need to inspect your own assumptions.

tharkun__ 2y ago
You are conveniently ignoring the parts of my post that have no solution in sound insulation at all: fresh air in both window and balcony and smell (which in my example isn't just fish smell like in sibling posts but actually carcinogenic as well). Look I don't mind if you want to live with those things. No issues at all. If you love it, go for it. Just don't make me do it. And yes I've lived in properly built concrete apartments where I did not hear my neighbors at all and I had no balcony and I was able to open my windows without issue. Not in NA and I had one of the very luckily located apartments out of like 100 in that building. I've also lived in concrete apartments with a balcony and all the problems I described earlier. Never again as long as I can help it.
paleotrope 2y ago
The examples they gave really can't be mitigated with insulation, unless you want to turn all these apartments into isolated bubbles, completely cut off from the environment. I mean you could probably do that, no balconies, no windows. I think you would be surprised at how far sound can travel through steel and concrete. As for putting dwelling further apart, that's why we have the suburbs.
OldGuyInTheClub 2y ago
Why have you decided that the other is the winner? When Boeing or Airbus announce a new airplane, they come up with all sorts of luxurious concepts that would make air travel less miserable if not enjoyable. We all know damn well that the airlines aren't going to do any of that except maybe for first class. Housing is the same. Cheap out on everything, pack 'em in, profit. Then when there's a big fire or it all falls down, close up and start again under a different name.

tharkun__ 2y ago

You are conveniently ignoring the parts of my post that have no solution in sound insulation at all: fresh air in both window and balcony and smell (which in my example isn't just fish smell like in sibling posts but actually carcinogenic as well). Look I don't mind if you want to live with those things. No issues at all. If you love it, go for it. Just don't make me do it. And yes I've lived in properly built concrete apartments where I did not hear my neighbors at all and I had no balcony and I was able to open my windows without issue. Not in NA and I had one of the very luckily located apartments out of like 100 in that building. I've also lived in concrete apartments with a balcony and all the problems I described earlier. Never again as long as I can help it.

paleotrope 2y ago

The examples they gave really can't be mitigated with insulation, unless you want to turn all these apartments into isolated bubbles, completely cut off from the environment. I mean you could probably do that, no balconies, no windows. I think you would be surprised at how far sound can travel through steel and concrete. As for putting dwelling further apart, that's why we have the suburbs.

OldGuyInTheClub 2y ago

Why have you decided that the other is the winner? When Boeing or Airbus announce a new airplane, they come up with all sorts of luxurious concepts that would make air travel less miserable if not enjoyable. We all know damn well that the airlines aren't going to do any of that except maybe for first class. Housing is the same. Cheap out on everything, pack 'em in, profit. Then when there's a big fire or it all falls down, close up and start again under a different name.