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Some huge percentage of STEM graduate school is just for immigration These people are not seeking "truth"

by codingwagie 2y ago

lIllIlIIlIllIlI 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
worik 2y ago
Evidence? Especially given the context.
- adamrezich 2y ago
  What kind of evidence would sway your belief on this matter? Perhaps a published academic research paper on the topic?
  - worik 2y ago
    > What kind of evidence would sway your belief on this matter? I do not have beliefs on this matter, I am interested in data. I would like to know what studies of graduate student intentions and outcomes > Perhaps a published academic research paper on the topic? I see what you (think you are) doing there. That would be a start
    - adamrezich 2y ago
      It would be start, for people like you who hopelessly cling to your deference to the authority that academic research papers exert over people like yourselves. For the rest of us, it would be meaningless.
      - worik 2y ago
        > For the rest of us, I am curious: What are your decision criteria? Academic research papers are systematically flawed, true. But they form a part of the story of finding truth. What do you use?
spicybright 2y ago
Aren't they required to have previous schooling in their home country, pass an aptitude test against others, and maintain good grades to stay in the program in order to stay in the country? I don't see how you can avoid actually doing the education part here. And I'm sure lots see immigration + better education as a win/win, which I don't see a problem with. Where are you getting the huge percentage from? Do you have sources for your claim? Even news articles?
cortesoft 2y ago
The numbers I find say about 20% of grad students in the United States are international students. I am not sure that is a huge percentage?
- adamrezich 2y ago
  What does that statistic look like for other nations?
jjulius 2y ago
>These people are not seeking "truth" Careful with those absolutes, there. And the whole "these people" thing, too, probably.

Some huge percentage of STEM graduate school is just for immigration These people are not seeking "truth"

lIllIlIIlIllIlI 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

worik 2y ago

Evidence? Especially given the context.

adamrezich 2y ago
What kind of evidence would sway your belief on this matter? Perhaps a published academic research paper on the topic?
- worik 2y ago
  > What kind of evidence would sway your belief on this matter? I do not have beliefs on this matter, I am interested in data. I would like to know what studies of graduate student intentions and outcomes > Perhaps a published academic research paper on the topic? I see what you (think you are) doing there. That would be a start
  - adamrezich 2y ago
    It would be start, for people like you who hopelessly cling to your deference to the authority that academic research papers exert over people like yourselves. For the rest of us, it would be meaningless.
    - worik 2y ago
      > For the rest of us, I am curious: What are your decision criteria? Academic research papers are systematically flawed, true. But they form a part of the story of finding truth. What do you use?

spicybright 2y ago

Aren't they required to have previous schooling in their home country, pass an aptitude test against others, and maintain good grades to stay in the program in order to stay in the country? I don't see how you can avoid actually doing the education part here. And I'm sure lots see immigration + better education as a win/win, which I don't see a problem with. Where are you getting the huge percentage from? Do you have sources for your claim? Even news articles?

cortesoft 2y ago

The numbers I find say about 20% of grad students in the United States are international students. I am not sure that is a huge percentage?

adamrezich 2y ago
What does that statistic look like for other nations?

jjulius 2y ago

>These people are not seeking "truth" Careful with those absolutes, there. And the whole "these people" thing, too, probably.