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It's a prison but it's generally much more open. Prisoners sleep in open air dorms, there are minimal to no fences, there are generally good education and recre

It's a prison but it's generally much more open. Prisoners sleep in open air dorms, there are minimal to no fences, there are generally good education and recreation programs and vast majority of people are white collar criminals, the violence is much much lower.

cdchn 2y ago
It probably doesn't apply as much to white collar criminals but I wonder if she would be considered a snitch by her fellow inmates.
- throwup238 2y ago
  The no snitching rule applies mostly to someone who is already in prison and consequences depend on the security level. No one’s going to kill a snitch in minimum security, worst case scenario is that they’ll be outcasts and get into a fight occasionally. The majority of prisoners are in prison because of a plea deal, not a jury verdict, so they often have to snitch on their accomplices as part of the plea deal (with severe consequences for lying and omissions). In practice the traditional prisoner’s dilemma usually plays out with everyone snitching on each other and everyone getting a deal because the prosecutor doesn’t want to waste time and money on a trial.
  - euroderf 2y ago
    > In practice the traditional prisoner’s dilemma usually plays out with everyone snitching on each other and everyone getting a deal because the prosecutor doesn’t want to waste time and money on a trial. This seems unlikely. Any prosecutor running for re-election wants to score. At least one big fish.
    - throwup238 2y ago
      Over 95% of criminal cases end in a plea bargain. Trials are rare and unpredictable. The last thing prosecutors want is their career derailed by a fickle jury and the vast majority of crimes don’t involve a “big fish” worth the risk.
      - euroderf 2y ago
        This and other phenomena make it sound like the "justice" system is fertile ground game theory.
        throwup238 2y ago
        Game theory is full of spherical cows like the assumption that the state has infinite resources to prosecute. Reality is a bit different.

cdchn 2y ago

It probably doesn't apply as much to white collar criminals but I wonder if she would be considered a snitch by her fellow inmates.

throwup238 2y ago
The no snitching rule applies mostly to someone who is already in prison and consequences depend on the security level. No one’s going to kill a snitch in minimum security, worst case scenario is that they’ll be outcasts and get into a fight occasionally. The majority of prisoners are in prison because of a plea deal, not a jury verdict, so they often have to snitch on their accomplices as part of the plea deal (with severe consequences for lying and omissions). In practice the traditional prisoner’s dilemma usually plays out with everyone snitching on each other and everyone getting a deal because the prosecutor doesn’t want to waste time and money on a trial.
- euroderf 2y ago
  > In practice the traditional prisoner’s dilemma usually plays out with everyone snitching on each other and everyone getting a deal because the prosecutor doesn’t want to waste time and money on a trial. This seems unlikely. Any prosecutor running for re-election wants to score. At least one big fish.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    Over 95% of criminal cases end in a plea bargain. Trials are rare and unpredictable. The last thing prosecutors want is their career derailed by a fickle jury and the vast majority of crimes don’t involve a “big fish” worth the risk.
    - euroderf 2y ago
      This and other phenomena make it sound like the "justice" system is fertile ground game theory.
      - throwup238 2y ago
        Game theory is full of spherical cows like the assumption that the state has infinite resources to prosecute. Reality is a bit different.