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We want to bribe criminals to betray each other. The people who they are betraying could do anything up to killing them to prevent this, and we have to compete

We want to bribe criminals to betray each other. The people who they are betraying could do anything up to killing them to prevent this, and we have to compete with that. The world gets zero benefit to imprisoning this woman indefinitely, it in fact costs money, and if the government had to prove their case against her without her cooperation, it would just cost even more money. Not letting a fully-cooperating sucker like her off is the opposite of a deterrent to crime. It's telling low-level people who are involved in crimes that it's better to keep quiet. We want to encourage them to betray. I hope when she gets out she becomes a celebrity, and it encourages other young people to decide to whistleblow or turn snitch on the scammy companies they work for.

vkou 2y ago
> The world gets zero benefit to imprisoning this woman indefinitely What sorts of people does the world benefit from imprisoning indefinitely, and where on the spectrum does, say, being a serial and unrepentant shoplifter, stealing mid-four figures sums compare to being a financial criminal stealing mid-eight-figure sums? She wasn't a 'low level whistleblower', she was one step below the ringleader, and only came clean after the whole thing went tits up and she was staring down two decades in federal. If you're looking for heroes and whistleblowers, I don't think there were any in that whole organization. Just rats turning on eachother once the trap snapped shut around them.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I think a serial shoplifter or thief is worse. It is a bigger problem for me personally, and impacts far more people. Therefore I think it deserves harsher penalties.
  - vkou 2y ago
    A thief will steal from a few stores. A fraudster of that magnitude steals from anywhere between thousands to millions of people.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      There is the magnitude of an individual and the magnitude of the summer for each problem.

vkou 2y ago

> The world gets zero benefit to imprisoning this woman indefinitely What sorts of people does the world benefit from imprisoning indefinitely, and where on the spectrum does, say, being a serial and unrepentant shoplifter, stealing mid-four figures sums compare to being a financial criminal stealing mid-eight-figure sums? She wasn't a 'low level whistleblower', she was one step below the ringleader, and only came clean after the whole thing went tits up and she was staring down two decades in federal. If you're looking for heroes and whistleblowers, I don't think there were any in that whole organization. Just rats turning on eachother once the trap snapped shut around them.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
I think a serial shoplifter or thief is worse. It is a bigger problem for me personally, and impacts far more people. Therefore I think it deserves harsher penalties.
- vkou 2y ago
  A thief will steal from a few stores. A fraudster of that magnitude steals from anywhere between thousands to millions of people.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    There is the magnitude of an individual and the magnitude of the summer for each problem.