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I don’t think the modern Democratic Party the same pro-worker, anti-corporate greed version a lot of us grew up with. Don’t take this as an endorsement for Trum

I don’t think the modern Democratic Party the same pro-worker, anti-corporate greed version a lot of us grew up with. Don’t take this as an endorsement for Trump mind you. Hardly. Democrats still have basic human rights on their side. Corporate greed and military spending aren’t up for debate though. We can bicker about guns and immigration policy all we want but some topics aren’t even on the table for discussion.

BadHumans 2y ago
To a degree you are right, but fully agreeing with this is ignoring reality given the thread we are commenting in. There has been more antitrust legislation under the current administration than there has been in a decade so while they aren't the Dems of old, I feel we are heading in a good direction.
throwway120385 2y ago
There are several different caucuses within the Democratic Party. Some of them are the pro-corporate types you're referring to. But there is also a Progressive caucus that is pretty pro-worker pro-tax that I think you're missing out on.
- Sysreq2 2y ago
  So it’s funny you mention that. I actually think Marx made a fantastic critique of capitalism. He kind of nailed the inherent flaws within the system. I compare his solutions to someone predicting that every desk would eventually have a telegraph through. Identifying a problem doesn’t therefor imply a solution. Regarding the modern Progressive movement though, I find them a bit too authoritarian for my tastes. There are countless examples but classic Western liberalism is at odds with their ideology. They’ve fallen into the classic revolutionary entrapment of their own power being tied with continued upheaval. If you are not with them completely then you are the enemy. From the Google Manifesto to JK Rowling’s cancelling, they remind me of the mob during the French Revolution. They just eat their own and refuse to accept any kind of meaningful critique. Liberalism requires debate, disagreement and questioning the status quo. I don’t see that amongst the modern Progressives. They would rather burn it down than build something better. Ironically, I fear them gaining power as much as I do the religious right. Neither contains the capacity for building the coalitions needed for stable governance. I like moderates. Stability. Peace. Compromise. Mutual Respect. Empathy. I just don’t see those values in those circles. Now that I’ve politely disagreed, I suppose it’s just a matter of time before someone comes along to insult me and prove my point.
dwoldrich 2y ago
I disagree with you on the human rights thing, that is definitely on the table for discussion. I connect the erosion of bodily autonomy in America to the Democratic mandates for health insurance purchase with Obamacare and then certainly the federal mandate for employees of large corporations to receive the experimental EUA Covid vaccine. In the arena of basic human rights, any political party that demands I show my private medical information as proof of vaccination in order that I may continue to work in a 100% remote job has lost the thread and there's no way back to good graces. The "my body my choice" and workers rights Democratic party locked me down on home detention as a non-essential worker for over a year and finally got me RIF'd from my fancy job because I refused to show my papers well after the crisis had ended. Would you call that fascism or authoritarianism? And that erosion of bodily autonomy at the federal level led to the _easy_ overturning of Roe v Wade! At the time the federal vaccine mandates were announced, I called it that they were weakening Roe. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The Democratic party needs to end and something new needs to grow to replace all the corruption. There's not one good policy for humanity coming from them and certainly far too much optional war and needless killing.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  > In the arena of basic human rights, any political party that demands I show my private medical information as proof of vaccination in order that I may continue to work in a 100% remote job has lost the thread and there's no way back to good graces. There is no political party that demands this. I've worked 100% since the start of the pandemic and have only been asked for proof of vaccination for a company onsite. Never once been at threat of losing my remote job because of vaccination status. Sounds like your company was just looking for an excuse to lay people off. > And that erosion of bodily autonomy at the federal level led to the _easy_ overturning of Roe v Wade! At the time the federal vaccine mandates were announced, I called it that they were weakening Roe. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Really? You should've told the Supreme Court because they didn't mention vaccines at all in their decisions to overturn Roe v Wade. > There's not one good policy for humanity coming from them and certainly far too much optional war and needless killing. This is not even remotely true and is so emotionally charged that it is impossible to actually have a discussion. I much prefer their policies on public infrastructure, environment, and climate just to name a few.

BadHumans 2y ago

To a degree you are right, but fully agreeing with this is ignoring reality given the thread we are commenting in. There has been more antitrust legislation under the current administration than there has been in a decade so while they aren't the Dems of old, I feel we are heading in a good direction.

throwway120385 2y ago

There are several different caucuses within the Democratic Party. Some of them are the pro-corporate types you're referring to. But there is also a Progressive caucus that is pretty pro-worker pro-tax that I think you're missing out on.

Sysreq2 2y ago
So it’s funny you mention that. I actually think Marx made a fantastic critique of capitalism. He kind of nailed the inherent flaws within the system. I compare his solutions to someone predicting that every desk would eventually have a telegraph through. Identifying a problem doesn’t therefor imply a solution. Regarding the modern Progressive movement though, I find them a bit too authoritarian for my tastes. There are countless examples but classic Western liberalism is at odds with their ideology. They’ve fallen into the classic revolutionary entrapment of their own power being tied with continued upheaval. If you are not with them completely then you are the enemy. From the Google Manifesto to JK Rowling’s cancelling, they remind me of the mob during the French Revolution. They just eat their own and refuse to accept any kind of meaningful critique. Liberalism requires debate, disagreement and questioning the status quo. I don’t see that amongst the modern Progressives. They would rather burn it down than build something better. Ironically, I fear them gaining power as much as I do the religious right. Neither contains the capacity for building the coalitions needed for stable governance. I like moderates. Stability. Peace. Compromise. Mutual Respect. Empathy. I just don’t see those values in those circles. Now that I’ve politely disagreed, I suppose it’s just a matter of time before someone comes along to insult me and prove my point.

dwoldrich 2y ago

I disagree with you on the human rights thing, that is definitely on the table for discussion. I connect the erosion of bodily autonomy in America to the Democratic mandates for health insurance purchase with Obamacare and then certainly the federal mandate for employees of large corporations to receive the experimental EUA Covid vaccine. In the arena of basic human rights, any political party that demands I show my private medical information as proof of vaccination in order that I may continue to work in a 100% remote job has lost the thread and there's no way back to good graces. The "my body my choice" and workers rights Democratic party locked me down on home detention as a non-essential worker for over a year and finally got me RIF'd from my fancy job because I refused to show my papers well after the crisis had ended. Would you call that fascism or authoritarianism? And that erosion of bodily autonomy at the federal level led to the _easy_ overturning of Roe v Wade! At the time the federal vaccine mandates were announced, I called it that they were weakening Roe. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The Democratic party needs to end and something new needs to grow to replace all the corruption. There's not one good policy for humanity coming from them and certainly far too much optional war and needless killing.

BadHumans 2y ago
> In the arena of basic human rights, any political party that demands I show my private medical information as proof of vaccination in order that I may continue to work in a 100% remote job has lost the thread and there's no way back to good graces. There is no political party that demands this. I've worked 100% since the start of the pandemic and have only been asked for proof of vaccination for a company onsite. Never once been at threat of losing my remote job because of vaccination status. Sounds like your company was just looking for an excuse to lay people off. > And that erosion of bodily autonomy at the federal level led to the _easy_ overturning of Roe v Wade! At the time the federal vaccine mandates were announced, I called it that they were weakening Roe. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Really? You should've told the Supreme Court because they didn't mention vaccines at all in their decisions to overturn Roe v Wade. > There's not one good policy for humanity coming from them and certainly far too much optional war and needless killing. This is not even remotely true and is so emotionally charged that it is impossible to actually have a discussion. I much prefer their policies on public infrastructure, environment, and climate just to name a few.