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It's funny, I grew up writing C++, but in an IDE. You're probably right that older people may have started programming before IDEs were commonplace (?). I've ac

by notJim 14y ago

It's funny, I grew up writing C++, but in an IDE. You're probably right that older people may have started programming before IDEs were commonplace (?). I've actually never liked using IDEs for interpreted languages, but have always used them for compiled languages. I'm talking specifically about tags, because it's the tool I'd need to use to get goto-anything functionality in vim using command-t or ctrlp. Whenever there's a debate about something like ST2 or an IDE vs vim/emacs, the argument is always “well you can do all that stuff with vim, just install x, y and z plugins", and I was making the point that with ST2, the out-of-the-box goto-anything functionality is really excellent. I love vim, and can't see myself ever going back on that, but I certainly appreciated with ST2 that the baked-in, absolutely-zero-effort-required goto-anything functionality was really excellent.

heretohelp 14y ago
>Whenever there's a debate about something like ST2 or an IDE vs vim/emacs, the argument is always “well you can do all that stuff with vim, just install x, y and z plugins", That might be true for vim, but it isn't for Emacs. Most of what you need is built-in, with the occasional plugin only coming in when you want hardcore IDE functionality or something uber language specific. It supports virtually every language, VCS, use-case, etc. out of the box though. Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim?
- notJim 14y ago
  > Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim? Of course--I stated clearly that I'm a vim user and that I love it, and couldn't see myself going back. But I still appreciate the out of the box functionality and ease-of-use of ST2.
  - heretohelp 14y ago
    You should try Emacs if you like out of the box functionality and ease-of-use. It's modeless like most other editors (unlike vim). You can bolt vi/vim on top of it if you really want the modal editing though.

by notJim 14y ago

heretohelp 14y ago

>Whenever there's a debate about something like ST2 or an IDE vs vim/emacs, the argument is always “well you can do all that stuff with vim, just install x, y and z plugins", That might be true for vim, but it isn't for Emacs. Most of what you need is built-in, with the occasional plugin only coming in when you want hardcore IDE functionality or something uber language specific. It supports virtually every language, VCS, use-case, etc. out of the box though. Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim?

notJim 14y ago
> Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim? Of course--I stated clearly that I'm a vim user and that I love it, and couldn't see myself going back. But I still appreciate the out of the box functionality and ease-of-use of ST2.
- heretohelp 14y ago
  You should try Emacs if you like out of the box functionality and ease-of-use. It's modeless like most other editors (unlike vim). You can bolt vi/vim on top of it if you really want the modal editing though.