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If the plurality are bad at their job, maybe the role itself needs at the very least a hard look. Any time you find yourself saying "It's not the field that's

If the plurality are bad at their job, maybe the role itself needs at the very least a hard look. Any time you find yourself saying "It's not the field that's fundamentally broken, it's that (almost) every individual in it just happens to suck (at it)," you need to take a step back and realize that that's the same problem. If you have to be exceptionally skilled at something to do it in a way that's net positive, and that field doesn't reasonable filter for the exceptionally competent, then the field is setting individuals up for failure, and needs to be restructured. And if most people in the role suck at it, you by definition have to be exceptionally skilled to succeed. Even if from the outside it looks like the people just tend to suck and the field is easy.

JohnMakin 2y ago
This isn't just a problem common to project management, it's very familiar sounding to "devops" teams as well - while I agree that something fundamentally needs to change I do not believe it is the same problem. In the case of project management, what you have is horrible hiring practices that favor extreme credentialism (PMOC, etc) rather than a proven track record of results. Businesses seem think that anyone with a cert is going to be effective, but in my view, these certifications are mostly worthless in terms of actual skills gained. Another thing is, what should even change? No one knows. This isn't an unknown phenomenon, there just isn't anything better at this current moment. It's very easy to point at things and say they should change, another thing entirely to propose a solution. To me, I would put more technical requirements on PM's rather than these dumb PM certs, as the better PM's I've worked with always seem to have a much deeper understanding of technical nuance than their shittier peers.

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If the plurality are bad at their job, maybe the role itself needs at the very least a hard look. Any time you find yourself saying "It's not the field that's

by BobaFloutist 2y ago

JohnMakin 2y ago
This isn't just a problem common to project management, it's very familiar sounding to "devops" teams as well - while I agree that something fundamentally needs to change I do not believe it is the same problem. In the case of project management, what you have is horrible hiring practices that favor extreme credentialism (PMOC, etc) rather than a proven track record of results. Businesses seem think that anyone with a cert is going to be effective, but in my view, these certifications are mostly worthless in terms of actual skills gained. Another thing is, what should even change? No one knows. This isn't an unknown phenomenon, there just isn't anything better at this current moment. It's very easy to point at things and say they should change, another thing entirely to propose a solution. To me, I would put more technical requirements on PM's rather than these dumb PM certs, as the better PM's I've worked with always seem to have a much deeper understanding of technical nuance than their shittier peers.