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This is not true. Both OpenAI and Google's LLM APIs have a policy of not using the data sent over them. Its no different than trusting Microsoft's or Google's c

This is not true. Both OpenAI and Google's LLM APIs have a policy of not using the data sent over them. Its no different than trusting Microsoft's or Google's cloud to store private data.

phren0logy 2y ago
Can you link to documentation for Google's LLMs? I searched long and hard when Gemma 2 came out, and all of the LLM offerings seemed specifically exempted. I'd love to know if that has changed.
- spiralk 2y ago
  https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms this?
  - phren0logy 2y ago
    Thanks very much! I think before I looked at docs for Google AI Studio, but also for Google Workspace, and both made no guarantees. From the linked document, so save someone else a click: > The terms in this "Paid Services" section apply solely to your use of paid Services ("Paid Services"), as opposed to any Services that are offered free of charge like direct interactions with Google AI Studio or unpaid quota in Gemini API ("Unpaid Services").
    - Deathmax 2y ago
      There's some possible confusion because of the Copilot problem where everything in the product stack is called Gemini. The Gemini API (or Generative Language API) as documented on https://ai.google.dev https://ai.google.dev uses https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms for its terms. Paid usage, or usage from a UK/CH/EEA geolocated IP address will not be used for training. Then there's Google Cloud's Vertex AI Generative AI offering, which has https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/data-governance https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/data-g.... Data is not used for training, and you can opt out of the 24 hour prompt cache to effectively be zero retention. And then there's all the different consumer facing Gemini things. The chatbot at https://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/ (and the Gemini app) uses data for training by default: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961l https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961l, unless you pay for Gemini Enterprise as part of Gemini for Workspace. Gemini in Chrome DevTools uses data for training (https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/console/understand-messages?s=1#data-use https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/console/understan...). Enterprise features like Gemini for Workspace (generative AI features in the office suite), Gemini for Google Cloud (generative AI features in GCP), Gemini Code Assist, Gemini in BigQuery/SecOps/etc do not use data for training.

This is not true. Both OpenAI and Google's LLM APIs have a policy of not using the data sent over them. Its no different than trusting Microsoft's or Google's cloud to store private data.

phren0logy 2y ago

Can you link to documentation for Google's LLMs? I searched long and hard when Gemma 2 came out, and all of the LLM offerings seemed specifically exempted. I'd love to know if that has changed.

spiralk 2y ago
https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms this?
- phren0logy 2y ago
  Thanks very much! I think before I looked at docs for Google AI Studio, but also for Google Workspace, and both made no guarantees. From the linked document, so save someone else a click: > The terms in this "Paid Services" section apply solely to your use of paid Services ("Paid Services"), as opposed to any Services that are offered free of charge like direct interactions with Google AI Studio or unpaid quota in Gemini API ("Unpaid Services").
  - Deathmax 2y ago
    There's some possible confusion because of the Copilot problem where everything in the product stack is called Gemini. The Gemini API (or Generative Language API) as documented on https://ai.google.dev https://ai.google.dev uses https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms for its terms. Paid usage, or usage from a UK/CH/EEA geolocated IP address will not be used for training. Then there's Google Cloud's Vertex AI Generative AI offering, which has https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/data-governance https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/data-g.... Data is not used for training, and you can opt out of the 24 hour prompt cache to effectively be zero retention. And then there's all the different consumer facing Gemini things. The chatbot at https://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/ (and the Gemini app) uses data for training by default: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961l https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961l, unless you pay for Gemini Enterprise as part of Gemini for Workspace. Gemini in Chrome DevTools uses data for training (https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/console/understand-messages?s=1#data-use https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/console/understan...). Enterprise features like Gemini for Workspace (generative AI features in the office suite), Gemini for Google Cloud (generative AI features in GCP), Gemini Code Assist, Gemini in BigQuery/SecOps/etc do not use data for training.