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> which according to you just doesn't happen It doesn't, at least not on the scale to warrant these responses. Often these are implemented as sweeping policies

> which according to you just doesn't happen It doesn't, at least not on the scale to warrant these responses. Often these are implemented as sweeping policies, affecting stores with virtually no shop lifting. My suburban Walmart in Texas locks up everything. I can guarantee we have extraordinarily small crime. But when the stores in Dallas do it, we do it too. I also highly, highly doubt that shop lifting has gotten particularly worse in the past 20 years. Every single crime is down, and by a lot. I think this was/is an overreaction.

vel0city 2y ago
> But when the stores in Dallas do it, we do it too. The Plano Walmarts I've shopped at don't. Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano. Nor the Walmart in Murphy. I think the Walmart off Forest @ 635 does though. Strange how they don't bother locking it up in the more affluent areas even though supposedly its got virtually nothing to do with shoplifting. And please, once again, explain what benefit the store gets from locking up merchandise if it has nothing to do with shoplifting? What positive outcomes comes from it from the business' perspective? > I also highly, highly doubt that shop lifting has gotten particularly worse in the past 20 years. > 74.1% of retailers report increases in external theft over 5 years (2016 – 2021). > From 2019 to 2020, the dollar value of retail theft losses increased 47.2%. > The dollar amount loss per shoplifting incident increased 71.2% YoY. https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statistics/ https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statisti... But sure just base your world view off assumptions and conjecture instead of actual statistics. > I think this was/is an overreaction. Once again, please give me a single reason why a store would choose to do this. How does it benefit the store outside of reducing shoplifting?
- consteval 2y ago
  > Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano Ooo, I was just at the Target in Richardson Monday and yes, yes they do. Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show, and whitening strips are in prison. > And please, once again, explain what benefit the store gets from locking up merchandise if it has nothing to do with shoplifting? What positive outcomes comes from it from the business' perspective? Probably none. But I'm saying they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. They're not doing it thinking "oh this locking up is good outside of shoplifting". No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. But is it on a scale worth preventing? Depends on store to store and area to area. > 74.1% of retailers report increases in external theft over 5 years To be completely fair, a lot of this is 100% their own fault. At this point the customers are employees. They have to find everything themselves and they have to check-out and bag themselves. Naturally less employee intervention means more stealing. I could've told you that 10 years ago, but these retailers are so short-sighted and greedy they don't care. My local walmart ONLY has self-check lanes. That's 1 employee per, like, 20 people checking out at the same time. Versus 1-1 before. A 20 times reduction in oversight, of course shit gets stolen. After a certain point we have to come back down to Earth and acknowledge the human condition.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    > Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show Ok, but both of those things have been behind cases for a decade+. I remember needing to get an associate to get a Nintendo 64 game from the cabinet at Toys-R-Us. I'm talking about the recent push to put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things. Cabinets so pervasive you can't even buy socks or Tylenol or toothpaste without getting an associate. Walmart and Target stores where there are turnstiles to get in and out of the store. CVS/Walgreens locations where practically every isle is locked cabinets. I'm talking about the recent push to put far more stuff in cabinets. I don't think you've seen the kinds of stores these people here are actually talking about if you're thinking razorblades in cabinets are the epitome of what people here are complaining about. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. > No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding. > a lot of this is 100% their own fault. Blaming the victim here. If they didn't want their stuff stolen they wouldn't have made it so easy to steal!
    - consteval 2y ago
      > Blaming the victim here I'm not of the opinion that multi-billion dollar corporations can even be victims. They have too much capital and political power to be victims of anything. > So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding You're misunderstanding. The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious. The question is SHOULD THEY? I think corps jumped on the opportunity without the proper analysis. > put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things Right. Which is why I'm shocked you don't believe, or refuse to consider, the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here. If they're putting penny items behind locks my mind naturally will wonder if that's worth it. Instead, you're concluding that the shoplifting must be so incredibly severe that even penny items must be locked up. This seems wildly unreasonable to me. What, is every other person a mass shoplifter?
      - vel0city 2y ago

vel0city 2y ago

> But when the stores in Dallas do it, we do it too. The Plano Walmarts I've shopped at don't. Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano. Nor the Walmart in Murphy. I think the Walmart off Forest @ 635 does though. Strange how they don't bother locking it up in the more affluent areas even though supposedly its got virtually nothing to do with shoplifting. And please, once again, explain what benefit the store gets from locking up merchandise if it has nothing to do with shoplifting? What positive outcomes comes from it from the business' perspective? > I also highly, highly doubt that shop lifting has gotten particularly worse in the past 20 years. > 74.1% of retailers report increases in external theft over 5 years (2016 – 2021). > From 2019 to 2020, the dollar value of retail theft losses increased 47.2%. > The dollar amount loss per shoplifting incident increased 71.2% YoY. https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statistics/ https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/shoplifting-statisti... But sure just base your world view off assumptions and conjecture instead of actual statistics. > I think this was/is an overreaction. Once again, please give me a single reason why a store would choose to do this. How does it benefit the store outside of reducing shoplifting?

consteval 2y ago
> Neither do the Targets in Richardson/Plano Ooo, I was just at the Target in Richardson Monday and yes, yes they do. Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show, and whitening strips are in prison. > And please, once again, explain what benefit the store gets from locking up merchandise if it has nothing to do with shoplifting? What positive outcomes comes from it from the business' perspective? Probably none. But I'm saying they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. They're not doing it thinking "oh this locking up is good outside of shoplifting". No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. But is it on a scale worth preventing? Depends on store to store and area to area. > 74.1% of retailers report increases in external theft over 5 years To be completely fair, a lot of this is 100% their own fault. At this point the customers are employees. They have to find everything themselves and they have to check-out and bag themselves. Naturally less employee intervention means more stealing. I could've told you that 10 years ago, but these retailers are so short-sighted and greedy they don't care. My local walmart ONLY has self-check lanes. That's 1 employee per, like, 20 people checking out at the same time. Versus 1-1 before. A 20 times reduction in oversight, of course shit gets stolen. After a certain point we have to come back down to Earth and acknowledge the human condition.
- vel0city 2y ago
  > Razor blades are 100% locked up, the electronics sections is more or less for show Ok, but both of those things have been behind cases for a decade+. I remember needing to get an associate to get a Nintendo 64 game from the cabinet at Toys-R-Us. I'm talking about the recent push to put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things. Cabinets so pervasive you can't even buy socks or Tylenol or toothpaste without getting an associate. Walmart and Target stores where there are turnstiles to get in and out of the store. CVS/Walgreens locations where practically every isle is locked cabinets. I'm talking about the recent push to put far more stuff in cabinets. I don't think you've seen the kinds of stores these people here are actually talking about if you're thinking razorblades in cabinets are the epitome of what people here are complaining about. > they may believe they're preventing shop lifting, but they're not. > No, they think "this will prevent shoplifting" - and it does. So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding. > a lot of this is 100% their own fault. Blaming the victim here. If they didn't want their stuff stolen they wouldn't have made it so easy to steal!
  - consteval 2y ago
    > Blaming the victim here I'm not of the opinion that multi-billion dollar corporations can even be victims. They have too much capital and political power to be victims of anything. > So they aren't preventing shoplifting with the cabinets, but the cabinets prevent shoplifting. The mental dissonance here is astounding You're misunderstanding. The cabinets DO prevent shoplifting, obvious. The question is SHOULD THEY? I think corps jumped on the opportunity without the proper analysis. > put darn near everything in cabinets, not the highest risk things Right. Which is why I'm shocked you don't believe, or refuse to consider, the fact that these corps DID NOT do the proper risk analysis here. If they're putting penny items behind locks my mind naturally will wonder if that's worth it. Instead, you're concluding that the shoplifting must be so incredibly severe that even penny items must be locked up. This seems wildly unreasonable to me. What, is every other person a mass shoplifter?
    - vel0city 2y ago