I chose to reply to this comment because OP said: > These conversations usually turn into philosophical or religious arguments around life. I feel this is an

I chose to reply to this comment because OP said: > These conversations usually turn into philosophical or religious arguments around life. I feel this is an absurd argument, as I listed, there are plenty of reasons to push back on this outside the purview of philosophy or religion. For instance, my mention of the predatory history of some medical interventions. And > My opinion is that suicide is completely valid and should not be stigmatized or illegal. OP said “completely valid” and I would argue in reality everyone has a “line”, and I was using extreme examples to illuminate that we all have this line and it is more productive to discuss where it lies than to assume we hold the only rationale position. It worked because you started to draw your line. Namely, your > are you unswayed by the testimonials of people living in lifelong debiliating pain and suffering who are not given any legal way to end their own suffering? Someone who is paralyzed in every way other than blinking their eyes is telling you that pure existence is suffering and they want their life to end - you're going to stand in front of them and say "no, you're not allowed to"? And again, > you can't imagine any other reason why people want to kill themselves other than being sad then I don't know what to tell you. So you disagree with the OPs “completely valid” and feel it should be valid under carefully considered circumstances? So where do you draw the line there? Only for sufferers of chronic pain? What would you tell to a sad but otherwise healthy person who elects to get the procedure? Also, do you have resources for these testimonials? Or statistics on if they are more or less common than those that I mentioned? > No, I actually can't. Then you are willfully ignorant. There are so many examples of predatory medicine and advertising. Why would this intervention be free from the barbs of human nature? What about suicide booths exempts them from enshittification?