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I see little reason to use Debian on a personal computer, despite using a Debian-based distributions (Ubuntu and Debian itself) for more than 10 years. I switch

I see little reason to use Debian on a personal computer, despite using a Debian-based distributions (Ubuntu and Debian itself) for more than 10 years. I switched to Fedora and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and they perfectly fit my needs.

pmontra 2y ago
Honest question. What do they do that Debian or Ubuntu don't?
- kombine 2y ago
  Basically they have up-to-date KDE desktop environment unlike the obsolete version in Debian. Ubuntu always lags behind too.
- Yasuraka 2y ago
  Major advantage of Fedora is being closer to the upstream sources, both in terms of freshness and in terms of not meddling with libs or similar. Debian patches lead to several possible exploits over the last few years.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > Debian patches lead to several possible exploits over the last few years. Which ones? There was the OpenSSL entropy bug, of course, but that was 1. in 2006, and 2. run by upstream so feels a bit unfair.
    - Yasuraka 2y ago
      I have to admit that I never compiled a list of this type and it seems exceedingly difficult to find useful search results. I couldn't dig up the examples I had in mind from the last 2 years, but stumbled upon others I didn't know of yet in turn, e.g. RCE via Redis, no special config required: > This post describes how I broke the Redis sandbox, but only for Debian and Debian-derived Linux distributions. Upstream Redis is not affected. That makes it a Debian vulnerability, not a Redis one. The culprit, if you will, is dynamic linking https://www.ubercomp.com/posts/2022-01-20_redis_on_debian_rce https://www.ubercomp.com/posts/2022-01-20_redis_on_debian_rc...
  - gggmaster 2y ago
    Fedora removes elliptic curve algorithms from the source code level [1] and disables hardware acceleration for H.264 / H.265 [2]. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615372 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615372 [2] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Disable-Bad-VA-API https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Disable-Bad-VA-API
    - Yasuraka 2y ago
      Yes, distributing non-free, patented code that requires a license, requires a license. The same goes for Debian actually[1], including blocking requests and removing packages that were included before by mistake. I would even dare say that this is another point for Fedora, enabling https://rpmfusion.org/ https://rpmfusion.org/ is a one-liner and feels entirely native, never a broken package. [1] https://www.debian.org/legal/patent https://www.debian.org/legal/patent
      - gggmaster 2y ago
        RPM Fusion does not give me uncrippled crypto libraries. It’s caused by their paranoia about export restrictions, not patents.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is a rolling-release distro, so it has up-to-date packages unlike Debian where the packages are years out-of-date. This should make stuff like flatpaks and snaps much less necessary, since these are basically work-arounds for ancient packages. Also, KDE seems to be very well supported on OpenSUSE, whereas it's more of an afterthought in most other distros, including Ubuntu and Debian.
- dilawar 2y ago
  For openSuSe, their open build service is awesome. You can create packages in your personal repos and submit to the official repo in one click. Though zypper (suse package manager) download packages serially and takes a lot of time during upgrades.
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    OBS can also build packages for many other distributions (including Debian derivatives) and automatically maintain repositories for them, and even supports using one universal RPM spec file to produce both debs and rpms (and some other formats) if you want it. So you won't have to change distributions to take advantage of it. Really wish the service was more widely known.
lucifargundam 2y ago
I'll concede with it being a matter of preference. For me, I used Debian for everything. I even use it to play VR games on Steam.
- loughnane 2y ago
  Same for me

pmontra 2y ago

Honest question. What do they do that Debian or Ubuntu don't?

kombine 2y ago
Basically they have up-to-date KDE desktop environment unlike the obsolete version in Debian. Ubuntu always lags behind too.
Yasuraka 2y ago
Major advantage of Fedora is being closer to the upstream sources, both in terms of freshness and in terms of not meddling with libs or similar. Debian patches lead to several possible exploits over the last few years.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > Debian patches lead to several possible exploits over the last few years. Which ones? There was the OpenSSL entropy bug, of course, but that was 1. in 2006, and 2. run by upstream so feels a bit unfair.
  - Yasuraka 2y ago
    I have to admit that I never compiled a list of this type and it seems exceedingly difficult to find useful search results. I couldn't dig up the examples I had in mind from the last 2 years, but stumbled upon others I didn't know of yet in turn, e.g. RCE via Redis, no special config required: > This post describes how I broke the Redis sandbox, but only for Debian and Debian-derived Linux distributions. Upstream Redis is not affected. That makes it a Debian vulnerability, not a Redis one. The culprit, if you will, is dynamic linking https://www.ubercomp.com/posts/2022-01-20_redis_on_debian_rce https://www.ubercomp.com/posts/2022-01-20_redis_on_debian_rc...
- gggmaster 2y ago
  Fedora removes elliptic curve algorithms from the source code level [1] and disables hardware acceleration for H.264 / H.265 [2]. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615372 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615372 [2] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Disable-Bad-VA-API https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Disable-Bad-VA-API
  - Yasuraka 2y ago
    Yes, distributing non-free, patented code that requires a license, requires a license. The same goes for Debian actually[1], including blocking requests and removing packages that were included before by mistake. I would even dare say that this is another point for Fedora, enabling https://rpmfusion.org/ https://rpmfusion.org/ is a one-liner and feels entirely native, never a broken package. [1] https://www.debian.org/legal/patent https://www.debian.org/legal/patent
    - gggmaster 2y ago
      RPM Fusion does not give me uncrippled crypto libraries. It’s caused by their paranoia about export restrictions, not patents.
shiroiushi 2y ago
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is a rolling-release distro, so it has up-to-date packages unlike Debian where the packages are years out-of-date. This should make stuff like flatpaks and snaps much less necessary, since these are basically work-arounds for ancient packages. Also, KDE seems to be very well supported on OpenSUSE, whereas it's more of an afterthought in most other distros, including Ubuntu and Debian.
dilawar 2y ago
For openSuSe, their open build service is awesome. You can create packages in your personal repos and submit to the official repo in one click. Though zypper (suse package manager) download packages serially and takes a lot of time during upgrades.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  OBS can also build packages for many other distributions (including Debian derivatives) and automatically maintain repositories for them, and even supports using one universal RPM spec file to produce both debs and rpms (and some other formats) if you want it. So you won't have to change distributions to take advantage of it. Really wish the service was more widely known.

lucifargundam 2y ago

I'll concede with it being a matter of preference. For me, I used Debian for everything. I even use it to play VR games on Steam.

loughnane 2y ago
Same for me