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Galaxies don't behave how they should with our understanding of gravitational mechanics. The only thing that fixes the model is the addition of a lot of mass th
by mystified5016 2y ago
Galaxies don't behave how they should with our understanding of gravitational mechanics. The only thing that fixes the model is the addition of a lot of mass that we can't see.
That would be easy enough to explain away as an incomplete model, except we have observed galaxies which do fit our models. The only way to explain that is if those galaxies are missing this invisible mass. There's no other way to reconcile these observations.
How would you square these observations? Under our models of gravity, most galaxies behave as though they contain much more mass than what we observe. However, some behave exactly as Newton would predict. The misbehaving galaxies can be made to fit the model by adding mass in very particular locations, mainly as a halo or shell around the outside.
We can show how much mass and where it must be to make galaxies behave as expected. These calculations are the same for most galaxies with dark matter, and galaxies without dark matter require no correction. At this point we have two explanations: either gravity behaves radically differently in different places in the universe, or there's a new type of massive particle that we haven't discovered.
We know already that the standard model of particle physics is incomplete, and there are more particles to be discovered. We are also very confident that the laws of physics are the same throughout space and time, and we are very confident that our models of gravity are correct on large scales.
The simplest explanation that fits all available data is dark matter. Positing that there's a new type of massive particle that we haven't discovered isn't really a shocking revelation.
- moi2388 2y agoWith our calculations. Which we know use wrong distance, don’t take spin direction into account, and use newton instead of Einstein. And use things like pi=3=1 and a whole bunch of other simplifications. It’s a miracle it predicts anything at all.
- mystified5016 2y agoUh, no. None of that explains the fact that the large structure of the galaxies we observe is not possible without extra mass. This has nothing to do with observational error or rounded calculations. The shape of the galaxies and their internal structures are clearly wrong. Besides, this also ignores the fact that we observe galaxies both with and without dark matter. These galaixes have very different structures that cannot arise from the same physics unless we consider dark matter.
- tekla 2y agoI'm sure armies of physicists, astronomers, and generally smart people have not considered the most basic simple possible explanations for why observations of some galaxies do not match our models.
- moi2388 2y agoThey have. Distance calculations are off, they know it, and trying to make it more accurate. They can’t use Einstein because it’s too complicated so they use approximations, and they know it. If the basic assumptions of your calculations are wrong it’s not surprising if your conclusions are as well. Here a link for one of the simple explanations they didn’t take into account leading to wrong redshift measurements https://www.mdpi.com/2571-712X/7/3/41 https://www.mdpi.com/2571-712X/7/3/41