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Why? They can learn about it freely once they grow up Not everyting is good for kids who lack of knowledge and life experience

voidUpdate 2y ago
So the solution to kids having a lack of knowledge is to not allow them to access knowledge? I feel like this is just teaching them there's something wrong with learning about gay people, when there's nothing wrong with learning about gay people. What would that do to a gay child? What exactly is wrong with someone being attracted to someone of the same gender?
- high_na_euv 2y ago
  Im talking about changing gender, not gay ppl.
  - voidUpdate 2y ago
    Top level comment talked about sexual orientation before it was flagged
spaceribs 2y ago
They can also learn about it freely from their classmates and the internet, it doesn't mean that's the best environment to learn.
Freak_NL 2y ago
You want to hide the fact that gay and trans people exist from children? Why? Besides, children will go through puberty, and they will get to experience a whole lot of hormonally driven urges which, it may surprise you, have quite a lot to do with sex. Want to promote teen pregnancies, STDs, unrealistic views of sex gleaned from porn, and ignorance about sex, consent, and intimacy? Then ban books and any other publicly scrutinized sources of knowledge suitable for them, and just let them figure it out themselves. We help children learn about society, language, maths, and science, but sexuality is somehow off-limits?
- high_na_euv 2y ago
  Concept is simple As of today there are many concepts or things that society decided that arent good for kids and they are 18/21 age restricted. And now: is the topic of transgender people important and appropiate for them? I'd say no. Transgender people are very, very tiny population and the topic itself is milion times overblown by media. Changing gender may easily fuckup your life and % of the cases where it is viable idea is tiny
  - voidUpdate 2y ago
    As someone currently going through this, you have to talk to a lot of people about it before you can do anything regarding being trans. The only way its fucked up my life is now there are a lot of people who hate me for some reason, apart from that I've been happier now that I'm able to live the way I prefer. As are all my trans friends. Do you mean that only a tiny percentage of the world should transition, or that a tiny percentage of those with gender dysphoria should transition?
    - bletc 2y ago
      Not always the case, see e.g. https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name She was prescribed testosterone at her first appointment with Planned Parenthood. There was basically no gatekeeping.
  - spaceribs 2y ago
    You're right, it is a simple concept. Avoid talking about any and all things you deem uncomfortable and strange. Reject the identity and existence of millions of people until it's "appropriate". Maybe we should ship all transgender people to a reservation so that children don't interact with them until it's age appropriate? It's so simple!
    - voidUpdate 2y ago
      Honestly sometimes I wish they could ship us all off to somewhere else so we don't have to deal with transphobes anymore. Just somewhere remote with good internet where we can all live in peace
autoexec 2y ago
We could say the exact same thing about any class of people. Let's ban all books about Asians, or about women. "Children can learn about them when they grow up." right? The reality is that some children are Asian. Their own parents and siblings may be one of those kinds of people. They will encounter those kinds of people in their daily lives right now. They will probably have questions about them and the differences between those people and others. It's good for curious children to be able to explore and learn about the world around them. Why create arbitrary limits on what kinds of people they can or cannot learn about? Obviously any kind of material, entertainment/cultural or educational, should be age appropriate and fortunately very few children are interested in literature written for a much older audience. If some 6 year old has the attention span and ability to understand complex works by all means let them read them. It's also the job of teachers and parents to contextualize and discuss with children the complex topics they are interested in exploring, not to hide it from them entirely so that they stay ignorant.

voidUpdate 2y ago

So the solution to kids having a lack of knowledge is to not allow them to access knowledge? I feel like this is just teaching them there's something wrong with learning about gay people, when there's nothing wrong with learning about gay people. What would that do to a gay child? What exactly is wrong with someone being attracted to someone of the same gender?

high_na_euv 2y ago
Im talking about changing gender, not gay ppl.
- voidUpdate 2y ago
  Top level comment talked about sexual orientation before it was flagged

spaceribs 2y ago

They can also learn about it freely from their classmates and the internet, it doesn't mean that's the best environment to learn.

Freak_NL 2y ago

You want to hide the fact that gay and trans people exist from children? Why? Besides, children will go through puberty, and they will get to experience a whole lot of hormonally driven urges which, it may surprise you, have quite a lot to do with sex. Want to promote teen pregnancies, STDs, unrealistic views of sex gleaned from porn, and ignorance about sex, consent, and intimacy? Then ban books and any other publicly scrutinized sources of knowledge suitable for them, and just let them figure it out themselves. We help children learn about society, language, maths, and science, but sexuality is somehow off-limits?

high_na_euv 2y ago
Concept is simple As of today there are many concepts or things that society decided that arent good for kids and they are 18/21 age restricted. And now: is the topic of transgender people important and appropiate for them? I'd say no. Transgender people are very, very tiny population and the topic itself is milion times overblown by media. Changing gender may easily fuckup your life and % of the cases where it is viable idea is tiny
- voidUpdate 2y ago
  As someone currently going through this, you have to talk to a lot of people about it before you can do anything regarding being trans. The only way its fucked up my life is now there are a lot of people who hate me for some reason, apart from that I've been happier now that I'm able to live the way I prefer. As are all my trans friends. Do you mean that only a tiny percentage of the world should transition, or that a tiny percentage of those with gender dysphoria should transition?
  - bletc 2y ago
    Not always the case, see e.g. https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name She was prescribed testosterone at her first appointment with Planned Parenthood. There was basically no gatekeeping.
- spaceribs 2y ago
  You're right, it is a simple concept. Avoid talking about any and all things you deem uncomfortable and strange. Reject the identity and existence of millions of people until it's "appropriate". Maybe we should ship all transgender people to a reservation so that children don't interact with them until it's age appropriate? It's so simple!
  - voidUpdate 2y ago
    Honestly sometimes I wish they could ship us all off to somewhere else so we don't have to deal with transphobes anymore. Just somewhere remote with good internet where we can all live in peace

autoexec 2y ago

We could say the exact same thing about any class of people. Let's ban all books about Asians, or about women. "Children can learn about them when they grow up." right? The reality is that some children are Asian. Their own parents and siblings may be one of those kinds of people. They will encounter those kinds of people in their daily lives right now. They will probably have questions about them and the differences between those people and others. It's good for curious children to be able to explore and learn about the world around them. Why create arbitrary limits on what kinds of people they can or cannot learn about? Obviously any kind of material, entertainment/cultural or educational, should be age appropriate and fortunately very few children are interested in literature written for a much older audience. If some 6 year old has the attention span and ability to understand complex works by all means let them read them. It's also the job of teachers and parents to contextualize and discuss with children the complex topics they are interested in exploring, not to hide it from them entirely so that they stay ignorant.