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It depends what it is. I have 25/25 fiber at home for practically nothing (~70 USD a month) but I can only go so far even with a UPS. If I loose power for too l
by sschueller 2y ago
It depends what it is. I have 25/25 fiber at home for practically nothing (~70 USD a month) but I can only go so far even with a UPS. If I loose power for too long or my internet goes down I have no backup which I would have at a co-location facility.
- jbverschoor 2y agoA 2200VA/1320W UPS will run a macmini on full load (50watts) for 2 hours. So it's safe to say 12-20 hours under normal load.
- altairprime 2y agoIf those circumstances occur, what would you be serving that can't afford to go offline for a couple days? It's important to have an answer to that question, rather than to assume that being offline when your home internet is down is inherently a problem. You can safely estimate using "X nines will cost X digits per month": 1 nines, 36.5 days/year downtime is $#/month. (openwifi tier) 2 nines, 3.65 days/year downtime is $##/month. (residential tier) 3 nines, 9 hours/year downtime; are $###/month. (commercial tier, datacenter tier) 4 nines, 1 hour/year downtime, is $####/month. (datacenter tier) 5 nines, 5 minutes/year downtime, is $#####/month. (carrier tier) Speaking from experience, it's both important to decide which 'nines' you require before you invest in making things more resilient — and it's important to be able to say things to yourself like, for example, "I don't care if it's down 4 days per year, so I won't spend more than $##/month on hosting it".
- forty 2y agoIt's always a surprise to me how expensive internet access can be in the US. Here in France 1Gb/700Mb fiber connection costs 30€/month (and this is without commitment and includes TV stuff - "more than 180 channels" whatever that means, and landline phone)
- altairprime 2y agoThe US has been specializing in telco monopolies in particular for the past hundred and fifty years or so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon etc.
- hiAndrewQuinn 2y agoThe EU invested pretty heavily into making sure even very remote parts of Europe, like northern Finland, have great Internet. I was very pleasantly surprised when I was able to work from home at the in-laws'!
- sulandor 2y agothouh there are places near berlin that have to make due with 16mbps dsl
- zokier 2y agoBecause of these new subsidised fiber deployments, it's not uncommon anymore for rural/semi-rural areas to have better connectivity than urban or sub-urban areas, which is bit awkward.
- consteval 2y agoThe US invested very heavily too, it's just that the money poof! Disappeared!
- Moto7451 2y agoInternet speeds and prices are all over the place in the US. I pay $60 per month for 1Gb synchronous fiber (which really performs at 1.2 synchronous, yay me) at my house and $60 per month for 500/30 cable internet at my rental. Two different areas three postal codes apart with different vendors, prices, and products (even when the vendor is available in both). The way we sliced up space for utilities (lots of legal shared monopolies/guided capitalism) and their desire to build the last mile in their area leads to many different prices and products within a walkable distance. Before that 500/30 service showed up the best we had was unreliable 200/15 from another provider.
- immibis 2y agoI think you mean symmetric fiber
- eertami 2y agoI'm fairly sure that person is Swiss, because CHF converted to USD is ~70USD for 25Gb/25Gb symmetrical Fiber in Switzerland. Regular 1Gb/1Gb is around 40CHF/40EUR often.
- lambdaba 2y agoit helps that France is the size of Texas
- forty 2y agoI'm not sure size matters that much. Population density does indeed.
- sweeter 2y agoand it varies widely. I pay $170 a month for 30mbps down and 15 up lmao and I have 2 options to choose from who have the exact same service for the exact same price. Telecoms in the US is beyond horrifyingly bad.
- timvdalen 2y agoWhat does 25/25 mean here? Gbps feels high for the home, but Mbps feels insanely expensive at that rate. (And also I didn't know they did fiber that slow, it's really only available in 1 Gbps and sometimes 500 Mbps here)
- sulandor 2y agoprobably this https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/ https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/ they explicitly (used to?) market that they don't throttle but simply connect at line-speed "because we can"
- radicality 2y agoDamn, that sounds nice, the fiber in Switzerland linked to in other comment. Though the small cost is probably overshadowed by the large infra costs at home. So now you need a 25Gbp/s router, together with the rest of topology like qsfp+ switches, and then actually computers with >= 25Gb/s nics to make use of it. And then all the appropriate cooling for it. It’s starting to sound a lot like a home data center :P
- navaati 2y agoYou can get 25G switches/router for not much nowadays, check Mikrotik. Throw a couple Intel NICs from ebay in your machines' PCIe ports and really it's not that much of a deal.
- db48x 2y agoI don't see why 25Gbps symmetric would be so surprising. My current ISP Ziply Fiber offers 100Mbps, 300Mbps, 1Gbps, 2Gbps, 5Gbps, 10Gbps, and 50Gbps (all of them symmetric) in most of their service areas. I’m sure there are other providers with similar offerings, in some parts of the country. My previous ISP, Sonic.net, offers speeds up to 10Gbps. The reported price is pretty nice though.
- lishzen 2y agoI was looking for an UPS replacement and found this: Anker 521 Portable Power Station. Haven't decided what brand to buy, bit $200 sounds reasonable.