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> Ask any child about whether we should allow plastic bags that pollute our water tables and oceans or paper bags that don't, and pretty much every kid will say
by autoexec 2y ago
> Ask any child about whether we should allow plastic bags that pollute our water tables and oceans or paper bags that don't, and pretty much every kid will say paper.
I suspect that'll have a lot to do with the fact that children don't go grocery shopping, and don't have to carry a bunch of items from cars, up stairs, and into their homes. They also don't give even a passing thought to the plastic bags being regularly re-used as bin liners in the home, or re-used to pick up after their dogs while on walks, or re-used for transporting items to other people's houses.
Paper bags are not a reasonable alternative to plastic bags for heavy loads, wet/soiled things, times when you need to carry more than one (or maybe two) bags at a time, etc.
Is it possible to manufacture an alternative bag that accomplishes all of the things that plastic bags do today? Maybe. Is such as bag widely available for the same cost? Nope.
If plastic bag ban advocates want everyone onboard they'd do better to make sure that viable alternatives which are, at a minimum, at least as good as plastic bags are ready to fill in the void. Until that's the case it's going to be a massive pain to just ban what works. If plastic shopping bags were "banned" where I live, I'd just find myself needing to pay for plastic shopping bags which used to be free because I still don't have anything to replace their utility for many tasks. That'd mean that I'm producing the same amount of plastic waste as before, only now I'd be paying more and be inconvenienced in the process.
Even when it comes to shopping bags used purely for shopping, many of the reusable canvas bags I've seen at stores don't hold as many items as plastic bags do, don't have handles that are as long/useful, and inconvenience me by requiring me to always have them with me and to know, in advance, how many I'm going to end up needing on every trip to the store.
If you want to get people to give something up, you can spend a ton of energy and time beating the public into compliance with sticks and shaming them until they begrudgingly give up something they want, or you can just offer them something better in which case all the work is done for you. The transition from styrofoam to plastic accomplished that. No one has offered up something better.
- vel0city 2y agoI just keep some reusable shopping bags in the car and in my backpack. Having an extra bag can often be useful outside just shopping trips. They're far nicer than the disposable plastic bags. They can carry more weight, don't tear from sharper edges of some packages, and look nicer. Some of the bags I have in my car even have a metal wire rim around the top to help hold the bag open so soft items don't get squished when I carry the bag and its really full. Kind of like this, but smaller: https://www.amazon.com/Household-Essentials-Utility-Pockets-Reusable/dp/B08SR91P7G/ https://www.amazon.com/Household-Essentials-Utility-Pockets-... And arguing reusable bags aren't as big as disposable plastic bags or can't carry as much is laughable. Bags can come in any shape or size. I assure you there are lots of reusable bags far larger than the typical disposable plastic shopping bags. A typical disposable plastic bag is like 22" H x 12" W x 6" D fully expanded (including handles in that 22", so really less for storage, more like maybe 16" if even that). Losing the handles you're talking ~1,150 cubic inches. The bag linked above is 13" H x 22" W x 11" D not including the handles. That's ~3,140 cubic inches. Which is a bigger number? The vast majority of reusable shopping bags I've encountered and owned are much larger than standard disposable plastic shopping bags. Incredible seeing someone argue they just don't make bags bigger than average disposable shopping bags...
- autoexec 2y agoI never said that no one makes larger bags, only that many of the reusable canvas bags I've seen at grocery store aren't as large. The ones offered inside the store sell for ~$1, vs the $20 bag you linked to so it should be no surprise that the $20 bag holds more.