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Seems that a lot of people prefer the approach of "surrender absolutely everything to Putin preemptively". Granted America is at basically zero risk of a Russia
by Krssst 2y ago
Seems that a lot of people prefer the approach of "surrender absolutely everything to Putin preemptively". Granted America is at basically zero risk of a Russian invasion, but letting Putin roams free means that Ukraine would only be the first step. I don't really know what Putin's Europe once he gets it all would look like but I don't expect human rights to be a part of it.
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- aguaviva 2y agoBecause it's what the aggressor has been saying all along: "That is why it is so important to achieve all the goals of the special military operation. To push back the borders that threaten our country as far as possible, even if they are the borders of Poland," said Medvedev. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-medvedev-floats-idea-pushing-back-polands-borders-2023-02-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-medvedev-floats...
- protomolecule 2y agoIt's a random utterance written in a personal telegram channel by a man with little real power. Using it as a basis for such a far reaching conclusion about Putin's intent to conquer all of Europe is quite strange to put it politely.
- mopsi 2y agoThat's merely a tactic for making threats with plausible deniability. Message gets transmitted, but in a way that shifts authorship away from its true source. Trump uses "people are saying" in this manner, Putin has an actual lackey in flesh doing the talking.
- aguaviva 2y agoThe grandparent was mistaken about an intent to conquer "all" of Europe - but similar threats have been made against Poland and the Baltics (as Putin's appetite for direct annexation seems to be limited to territories of the former Russian Empire). Communicating through sockpuppets like Medvedev is exactly how a gaslighter par excellence like Putin operates. And Medvedev isn't just any Kremlin flacky, but was Putin's nominal successor at one point. To pretend to not be aware that his messaging on the subject is ultimately Putin's is quite strange, to put it politely.
- protomolecule 2y ago>Communicating through sockpuppets like Medvedev is exactly how a gaslighter par excellence like Putin operates. Quite the opposite, in fact. Putin's Munich speech in 2007 was as direct as it gets. Anyway, your suggestion that Putin telegraphs his true intent (to occupy Poland and Baltics) through sockpuppet doesn't make any sense -- why would anyone do that? Medvedev playing bad cop routine -- that I can imagine, but what you are suggesting is quite strange, to put it politely.
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- aguaviva 2y agoNothing strange at all about it. It's just how thugs operate.
- protomolecule 2y agoWithout answering the question why, your comment makes no sense.
- aguaviva 2y agoIt makes perfect sense, actually. Putin's kind of "sense".
- cupcakecommons 2y agoWhich people?
- Krssst 2y agoPeople saying helping Ukraine should be avoided.
- cupcakecommons 2y agoThe people advocating the "approach of surrender absolutely everything to Putin preemptively" and "people saying helping Ukraine should be avoided" are very different - and are both still pretty strong interpretations. Instead of looking at cartoonish arguments people have - what's the best argument you've come across for not supplying Ukraine with weapons? Have you heard any that seem reasonable at all to you? Which is the most reasonable?