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Assault used to work, it probably still does. They should increase the training for security guards and legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary.

Assault used to work, it probably still does. They should increase the training for security guards and legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary. All animals respond to violence. Just the potential of physical violence is enough. It works for bouncers, and they work in much more challenging environments.

vel0city 2y ago
> legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary Corporations should be able to commit violence against those accused of property crimes. Interesting world view there. > All animals respond to violence Shoplifters aren't people, they're just animals. The above makes a little more sense > It works for bouncers, Because most clubs don't have billions of dollars a year in revenues to go after with lawyers itching to take on the case on contingency because the bouncer at CVS broke your nose.
- deepfriedchokes 2y ago
  Corporations are legal persons with legal rights. Just the other day Kamala said on Oprah that if someone breaks into her house they’re getting shot! People have a right to defend themselves, as do corporations. All people are animals. Obviously. I’m sorry I triggered you, but I just think that doing nothing is acting as an enabler for breaking the law. I’m not some big law and order guy, but we need to maintain some order in society else it all goes to shit, and theft ends up getting paid for by everyone else.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    There's things in between supporting corporations commiting violence against people they think might be stealing and doing nothing. A whole massive spectrum of actions. There's also a massive difference between shooting a home invader and shooting someone who some security guard thought they saw slip a candy bar in their pocket. And sure, you said "non-lethal". Lots of people die from "non-lethal" force. There's practically no such thing as "non-lethal", so much they've started using the term "less-than-lethal". Which is still a joke. My point still stands. But hey continue dehumanizing people and not worry about the consequences. I'm down for more enforcement against property crimes like theft, but IMO supporting companies to commit violence against anyone they think might have something in their pockets isn't the right way. Maybe we should have our cops actually do their jobs and also solve the reasons why people choose to steal instead of thinking having a society with private security guards beat someone half to death at the exit to a storefront is normal.
  - wasteduniverse 2y ago
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- EasyMark 2y ago
  If you are trying to take my property, I should have the right to stop you from doing that. No one is saying shoplifters are animals, but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. It also sounds like new laws should be passed to protect one against civil lawsuits when it comes to defending your property or having an agent doing that.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    > No one is saying shoplifters are animal Then why say "all animals respond to violence". What is that supposed to mean? > but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. You're right, the rule of law holds back the chaos. Not empowering and encouraging vigilante justice. Oh sorry, I thought you pick pocketed me. Turns out my phone was just in my other pocket. Good thing I'm not liable for breaking your jaw! Better not swing back at me though, that would just be assault! Oh sorry, I thought you slipped a candybar in your bag. Good luck with the medical bills! Maybe in a few months you'll be able to walk again! And hey security guard Bob, you should definitely decide your life is more important than a few bottles of acetaminophen. Stop that shoplifter at all cost. We'll fire you after you stop showing up to work at the end of your FMLA though, good luck affording the rehab after that. What a wonderful society you have in mind. If only we just normalized street vigilante violence we'd be such a better place!
    - Filligree 2y ago
      Shoplifters are animals. So is everyone else. I guess GPT-4 isn’t an animal, but I’d hesitate to call it “someone”.

vel0city 2y ago

> legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary Corporations should be able to commit violence against those accused of property crimes. Interesting world view there. > All animals respond to violence Shoplifters aren't people, they're just animals. The above makes a little more sense > It works for bouncers, Because most clubs don't have billions of dollars a year in revenues to go after with lawyers itching to take on the case on contingency because the bouncer at CVS broke your nose.

deepfriedchokes 2y ago
Corporations are legal persons with legal rights. Just the other day Kamala said on Oprah that if someone breaks into her house they’re getting shot! People have a right to defend themselves, as do corporations. All people are animals. Obviously. I’m sorry I triggered you, but I just think that doing nothing is acting as an enabler for breaking the law. I’m not some big law and order guy, but we need to maintain some order in society else it all goes to shit, and theft ends up getting paid for by everyone else.
- vel0city 2y ago
  There's things in between supporting corporations commiting violence against people they think might be stealing and doing nothing. A whole massive spectrum of actions. There's also a massive difference between shooting a home invader and shooting someone who some security guard thought they saw slip a candy bar in their pocket. And sure, you said "non-lethal". Lots of people die from "non-lethal" force. There's practically no such thing as "non-lethal", so much they've started using the term "less-than-lethal". Which is still a joke. My point still stands. But hey continue dehumanizing people and not worry about the consequences. I'm down for more enforcement against property crimes like theft, but IMO supporting companies to commit violence against anyone they think might have something in their pockets isn't the right way. Maybe we should have our cops actually do their jobs and also solve the reasons why people choose to steal instead of thinking having a society with private security guards beat someone half to death at the exit to a storefront is normal.
- wasteduniverse 2y ago
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EasyMark 2y ago
If you are trying to take my property, I should have the right to stop you from doing that. No one is saying shoplifters are animals, but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. It also sounds like new laws should be passed to protect one against civil lawsuits when it comes to defending your property or having an agent doing that.
- vel0city 2y ago
  > No one is saying shoplifters are animal Then why say "all animals respond to violence". What is that supposed to mean? > but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. You're right, the rule of law holds back the chaos. Not empowering and encouraging vigilante justice. Oh sorry, I thought you pick pocketed me. Turns out my phone was just in my other pocket. Good thing I'm not liable for breaking your jaw! Better not swing back at me though, that would just be assault! Oh sorry, I thought you slipped a candybar in your bag. Good luck with the medical bills! Maybe in a few months you'll be able to walk again! And hey security guard Bob, you should definitely decide your life is more important than a few bottles of acetaminophen. Stop that shoplifter at all cost. We'll fire you after you stop showing up to work at the end of your FMLA though, good luck affording the rehab after that. What a wonderful society you have in mind. If only we just normalized street vigilante violence we'd be such a better place!
  - Filligree 2y ago
    Shoplifters are animals. So is everyone else. I guess GPT-4 isn’t an animal, but I’d hesitate to call it “someone”.