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Impressive work on undoing the Apple engineering and unnecessarily soldered component. The CNC grinding guarantees this is out of reach for many people. The bl

by xyst 2y ago

Impressive work on undoing the Apple engineering and unnecessarily soldered component. The CNC grinding guarantees this is out of reach for many people. The blatant greedy decisions Apple makes is what has turned me away from their devices in general. Been winding down my usage for a few years now and aging out my current devices.

seec 2y ago
I am on that path as well, considering how filthy rich they are, the greed is not just unreasonable it's a complete fuck you to the customer. If it was just on the phone I wouldn't care as much (can get away with buying less often or second hand) but the reproduction of the models on the Macs is just inacceptable since everything is soldered. I wouldn't mind paying a bit of premium on RAM/storage but it is just a big "fuck you", because we can, at the moment. Considering how fast they are obsoleting older hardware (just because they can) it doesn't even make sense to pretend that you will recoup the cost over time (won't last twice as long as less expensive PC). And macOS is aging poorly, feeling the effects of neglect and doubling down on fully closed strategy. Apple doesn't have to care because they have new customers that don't care about any of that; it's mostly people that buy entry level hardware though, which is kind of hilarious when you think about their luxury strategy (mass market "luxury" is so dumb). Now, to be honest I have still some hopes left for the upcoming M4 devices (sales have slowed to a stop, so they have the signal) but still I'm doubt the pricing will make sense. It's just sad because Apple has more money than it knows what to do with productively, it's just a terribly managed company nowadays contrary to what the idiots who believe stock price is everything (imaginary value) like to think.
wtallis 2y ago
> and unnecessarily soldered component Seriously? Do you want a M.2 card slot in your phone?
- userbinator 2y ago
  (micro)SD/TF, many phones still have one.
  - kridsdale3 2y ago
    SD wouldn't come close to the bandwidth and latency that the on-board NAND is giving, which is a key bottleneck to device performance. My MacbookPro NAND outperforms all the M.2 NVME sticks I can install in my windows PC.
  - wtallis 2y ago
    All of those phones still have soldered storage as their primary storage. Removable primary storage isn't really a thing for smartphones, so calling it an "unnecessarily soldered component" is an extraordinary claim presented without any evidence. There's no standard removable storage form factor that's small enough to use inside smartphones that offers adequate performance for what's typical of today's smartphone operating systems and applications. microSD cards are fine for storing photos and videos (more for reading than sustained writing), but are horrible for random access and the performance gap between microSD and the soldered primary storage in phones is only getting wider.
    - Ringz 2y ago
      > There's no standard removable storage form factor that's small enough to use inside smartphones that offers adequate performance for what's typical of today's smartphone operating systems and applications. The question is why? I doubt that there are technical reasons.
      - wtallis 2y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage#Version_comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage#Versio... Looks like the UFS card interface only has one lane, but phones have been using two lanes for more performance for a long time. Samsung is planning a four-lane UFS solution for next year, but it's not clear whether that's intended for phones or laptops (their Snapdragon X Elite laptop uses UFS rather than NVMe). And the removable UFS cards standards have tended to lag behind by a few years on link speed, so it's really a 4x discrepancy in bandwidth between soldered UFS and removable UFS cards. In theory, something like UFS cards could have performance parity with soldered UFS (at least for the link speed; not sure if a package that small is adequate from a power/thermal perspective when stuffed with 1TB of NAND). But UFS cards have been dead on arrival in the market several times now, so it's understandable that nobody wants to try an even more ambitious version in the hopes that it can finally catch on.
lofaszvanitt 2y ago
CNC not needed, they just F with users... User capture+lock in. I mean every sane minded person runs away from the iphone ecosystem when the first how can I get this file out from my phone and why it's such a mess experience kicks in.

by xyst 2y ago

seec 2y ago

I am on that path as well, considering how filthy rich they are, the greed is not just unreasonable it's a complete fuck you to the customer. If it was just on the phone I wouldn't care as much (can get away with buying less often or second hand) but the reproduction of the models on the Macs is just inacceptable since everything is soldered. I wouldn't mind paying a bit of premium on RAM/storage but it is just a big "fuck you", because we can, at the moment. Considering how fast they are obsoleting older hardware (just because they can) it doesn't even make sense to pretend that you will recoup the cost over time (won't last twice as long as less expensive PC). And macOS is aging poorly, feeling the effects of neglect and doubling down on fully closed strategy. Apple doesn't have to care because they have new customers that don't care about any of that; it's mostly people that buy entry level hardware though, which is kind of hilarious when you think about their luxury strategy (mass market "luxury" is so dumb). Now, to be honest I have still some hopes left for the upcoming M4 devices (sales have slowed to a stop, so they have the signal) but still I'm doubt the pricing will make sense. It's just sad because Apple has more money than it knows what to do with productively, it's just a terribly managed company nowadays contrary to what the idiots who believe stock price is everything (imaginary value) like to think.

wtallis 2y ago

> and unnecessarily soldered component Seriously? Do you want a M.2 card slot in your phone?

userbinator 2y ago
(micro)SD/TF, many phones still have one.
- kridsdale3 2y ago
  SD wouldn't come close to the bandwidth and latency that the on-board NAND is giving, which is a key bottleneck to device performance. My MacbookPro NAND outperforms all the M.2 NVME sticks I can install in my windows PC.
- wtallis 2y ago
  All of those phones still have soldered storage as their primary storage. Removable primary storage isn't really a thing for smartphones, so calling it an "unnecessarily soldered component" is an extraordinary claim presented without any evidence. There's no standard removable storage form factor that's small enough to use inside smartphones that offers adequate performance for what's typical of today's smartphone operating systems and applications. microSD cards are fine for storing photos and videos (more for reading than sustained writing), but are horrible for random access and the performance gap between microSD and the soldered primary storage in phones is only getting wider.
  - Ringz 2y ago
    > There's no standard removable storage form factor that's small enough to use inside smartphones that offers adequate performance for what's typical of today's smartphone operating systems and applications. The question is why? I doubt that there are technical reasons.
    - wtallis 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage#Version_comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage#Versio... Looks like the UFS card interface only has one lane, but phones have been using two lanes for more performance for a long time. Samsung is planning a four-lane UFS solution for next year, but it's not clear whether that's intended for phones or laptops (their Snapdragon X Elite laptop uses UFS rather than NVMe). And the removable UFS cards standards have tended to lag behind by a few years on link speed, so it's really a 4x discrepancy in bandwidth between soldered UFS and removable UFS cards. In theory, something like UFS cards could have performance parity with soldered UFS (at least for the link speed; not sure if a package that small is adequate from a power/thermal perspective when stuffed with 1TB of NAND). But UFS cards have been dead on arrival in the market several times now, so it's understandable that nobody wants to try an even more ambitious version in the hopes that it can finally catch on.

lofaszvanitt 2y ago

CNC not needed, they just F with users... User capture+lock in. I mean every sane minded person runs away from the iphone ecosystem when the first how can I get this file out from my phone and why it's such a mess experience kicks in.