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Anybody know why this has to be a law? Whats stopping each school or the DOE from making their own rule, just like all other school rules?

decremental 2y ago
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DiscourseFan 2y ago
fines, pulling funding
dehrmann 2y ago
Low-hanging bill before an election.
ianbicking 2y ago
In part I see this as the legislature stepping up to be the bad guy, and taking pressure off schools. School administrators know phones are a problem, but a minority of students and parents are very vocal and make it hard to put bans in place. Pretty much every school allows teachers to ban phones in their class, so we have the fully devolved approach already, but it just puts the burden on teachers, it's not real autonomy.
- pj_mukh 2y ago
  Man, so many of Californias problems is just: “vocal minority is very loud, everyone else disagrees but are too busy to come yell at electeds, so we can’t fix this obvious problem. Done. Problem festers”
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    This is a problem throughout the USA, not just California. A tiny minority of loud, belligerent bullies with infinite free time ruin everything.
  - ianbicking 2y ago
    I'm in Minnesota, I'm just assuming California has the same problems. The issue is pretty nationalized. Some of it is students having a genuinely disturbing attachment to phones specifically, like a sense of anxiety when the phone is gone. There's also parents who get really freaked out about school shootings and are anxious that they won't be able to be in contact with their children. I guess it's kind of similar. Anxiety does not bring out the best in people. (And I note the page specifically refers to this concern) As a parent it's also handy to be able to communicate with my child about logistics during the day. Parents can be kind of whiney about that sort of thing. Whiney parents should be the basis of policy, but obviously it happens...
fshbbdssbbgdd 2y ago
Individual school administrators would have to face off against helicopter parents if they tried to implement this policy. The state government is protecting them through air superiority.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Ideally, school administrators would toughen up a little and tell these parents to STFU and GTFO. But you’d have to have many, many districts grow a backbone in order to get the coverage that a state law provides.
cykros 2y ago
Parents love comparing to other school districts. It's probably no surprise that in suburbia, the same conformist social dynamics we all loathed from high school are alive and well among the parent community (and teacher, for that matter). Nobody wants their kid to have an "abnormal" upbringing. Well, except the ones who do, but they're the homeschooling/Montessori crowd anyway.

decremental 2y ago

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DiscourseFan 2y ago

fines, pulling funding

dehrmann 2y ago

Low-hanging bill before an election.

ianbicking 2y ago

In part I see this as the legislature stepping up to be the bad guy, and taking pressure off schools. School administrators know phones are a problem, but a minority of students and parents are very vocal and make it hard to put bans in place. Pretty much every school allows teachers to ban phones in their class, so we have the fully devolved approach already, but it just puts the burden on teachers, it's not real autonomy.

pj_mukh 2y ago
Man, so many of Californias problems is just: “vocal minority is very loud, everyone else disagrees but are too busy to come yell at electeds, so we can’t fix this obvious problem. Done. Problem festers”
- ryandrake 2y ago
  This is a problem throughout the USA, not just California. A tiny minority of loud, belligerent bullies with infinite free time ruin everything.
- ianbicking 2y ago
  I'm in Minnesota, I'm just assuming California has the same problems. The issue is pretty nationalized. Some of it is students having a genuinely disturbing attachment to phones specifically, like a sense of anxiety when the phone is gone. There's also parents who get really freaked out about school shootings and are anxious that they won't be able to be in contact with their children. I guess it's kind of similar. Anxiety does not bring out the best in people. (And I note the page specifically refers to this concern) As a parent it's also handy to be able to communicate with my child about logistics during the day. Parents can be kind of whiney about that sort of thing. Whiney parents should be the basis of policy, but obviously it happens...

fshbbdssbbgdd 2y ago

Individual school administrators would have to face off against helicopter parents if they tried to implement this policy. The state government is protecting them through air superiority.

ryandrake 2y ago
Ideally, school administrators would toughen up a little and tell these parents to STFU and GTFO. But you’d have to have many, many districts grow a backbone in order to get the coverage that a state law provides.

cykros 2y ago

Parents love comparing to other school districts. It's probably no surprise that in suburbia, the same conformist social dynamics we all loathed from high school are alive and well among the parent community (and teacher, for that matter). Nobody wants their kid to have an "abnormal" upbringing. Well, except the ones who do, but they're the homeschooling/Montessori crowd anyway.