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I have little sympathy for many of these big box stores because their policies have indirectly lead to an increase in shoplifting. Their official policy in many

I have little sympathy for many of these big box stores because their policies have indirectly lead to an increase in shoplifting. Their official policy in many stores is to do nothing when spotting a shop lifter other than report it to police after it has happened. For a while some of these big box stores would hire a security guard whose only job was to stand next to a shoplifter in the hopes it would intimidate them into putting the item back, but they too were instructed to do nothing. In fact if they did do something it was a fireable offense. Eventually they stopped hiring these fake security guards because what is the point if they aren’t doing anything. And then a few years after that they throw up their hands and say shop lifting is out of control. Nothing can be done.

vel0city 2y ago
I mean, what should they do? Attempt to detain alleged shoplifters? Assault them? Shoot them? What do you think should be done?
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Charge $200 bond to enter store
- deepfriedchokes 2y ago
  Assault used to work, it probably still does. They should increase the training for security guards and legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary. All animals respond to violence. Just the potential of physical violence is enough. It works for bouncers, and they work in much more challenging environments.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    > legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary Corporations should be able to commit violence against those accused of property crimes. Interesting world view there. > All animals respond to violence Shoplifters aren't people, they're just animals. The above makes a little more sense > It works for bouncers, Because most clubs don't have billions of dollars a year in revenues to go after with lawyers itching to take on the case on contingency because the bouncer at CVS broke your nose.
    - deepfriedchokes 2y ago
      Corporations are legal persons with legal rights. Just the other day Kamala said on Oprah that if someone breaks into her house they’re getting shot! People have a right to defend themselves, as do corporations. All people are animals. Obviously. I’m sorry I triggered you, but I just think that doing nothing is acting as an enabler for breaking the law. I’m not some big law and order guy, but we need to maintain some order in society else it all goes to shit, and theft ends up getting paid for by everyone else.
      - vel0city 2y ago
        There's things in between supporting corporations commiting violence against people they think might be stealing and doing nothing. A whole massive spectrum of actions. There's also a massive difference between shooting a home invader and shooting someone who some security guard thought they saw slip a candy bar in their pocket. And sure, you said "non-lethal". Lots of people die from "non-lethal" force. There's practically no such thing as "non-lethal", so much they've started using the term "less-than-lethal". Which is still a joke. My point still stands. But hey continue dehumanizing people and not worry about the consequences. I'm down for more enforcement against property crimes like theft, but IMO supporting companies to commit violence against anyone they think might have something in their pockets isn't the right way. Maybe we should have our cops actually do their jobs and also solve the reasons why people choose to steal instead of thinking having a society with private security guards beat someone half to death at the exit to a storefront is normal.
      - wasteduniverse 2y ago
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    - EasyMark 2y ago
      If you are trying to take my property, I should have the right to stop you from doing that. No one is saying shoplifters are animals, but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. It also sounds like new laws should be passed to protect one against civil lawsuits when it comes to defending your property or having an agent doing that.
EasyMark 2y ago
Shoplifting is mainly the result of lax prosecution of said crimes. I don’t ever really feel bad for corps other than companies I’ve worked for or ones I have nostalgia for, it’s just a vice I Iet myself have. However, I do feel sympathy for the people who live in those neighborhoods and can’t even get access to basic toiletries without asking someone to open up the glass. It has to get old and I see why people would just order it from Amazon or do a monthly run outside of the neighborhood to get the stuff they need for day to day activities. It’s time to fire the DAs an public officials who value “treating criminals with compassion” over the people just trying to get on with their honest, hardworking lives.
caeril 2y ago
> Their official policy in many stores is to do nothing I suspect this is primarily a liability issue - an issue with the law, not the stores themselves. Believe me, I'm sure the loss prevention departments would love to hire Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, or Dirty Harry, to handle the situation, but most jurisdictions will leave YOU on the hook for anything from personal injury, to unlawful detainment, to brandishing, to whatever. The problem is with the DA, not with the store, in most cases.

vel0city 2y ago

I mean, what should they do? Attempt to detain alleged shoplifters? Assault them? Shoot them? What do you think should be done?

dzhiurgis 2y ago
Charge $200 bond to enter store
deepfriedchokes 2y ago
Assault used to work, it probably still does. They should increase the training for security guards and legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary. All animals respond to violence. Just the potential of physical violence is enough. It works for bouncers, and they work in much more challenging environments.
- vel0city 2y ago
  > legally allow them to use non-lethal force as necessary Corporations should be able to commit violence against those accused of property crimes. Interesting world view there. > All animals respond to violence Shoplifters aren't people, they're just animals. The above makes a little more sense > It works for bouncers, Because most clubs don't have billions of dollars a year in revenues to go after with lawyers itching to take on the case on contingency because the bouncer at CVS broke your nose.
  - deepfriedchokes 2y ago
    Corporations are legal persons with legal rights. Just the other day Kamala said on Oprah that if someone breaks into her house they’re getting shot! People have a right to defend themselves, as do corporations. All people are animals. Obviously. I’m sorry I triggered you, but I just think that doing nothing is acting as an enabler for breaking the law. I’m not some big law and order guy, but we need to maintain some order in society else it all goes to shit, and theft ends up getting paid for by everyone else.
    - vel0city 2y ago
      There's things in between supporting corporations commiting violence against people they think might be stealing and doing nothing. A whole massive spectrum of actions. There's also a massive difference between shooting a home invader and shooting someone who some security guard thought they saw slip a candy bar in their pocket. And sure, you said "non-lethal". Lots of people die from "non-lethal" force. There's practically no such thing as "non-lethal", so much they've started using the term "less-than-lethal". Which is still a joke. My point still stands. But hey continue dehumanizing people and not worry about the consequences. I'm down for more enforcement against property crimes like theft, but IMO supporting companies to commit violence against anyone they think might have something in their pockets isn't the right way. Maybe we should have our cops actually do their jobs and also solve the reasons why people choose to steal instead of thinking having a society with private security guards beat someone half to death at the exit to a storefront is normal.
    - wasteduniverse 2y ago
      [dead]
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    If you are trying to take my property, I should have the right to stop you from doing that. No one is saying shoplifters are animals, but there are laws for a reason, they are part of what holds society together and holds back chaos. It also sounds like new laws should be passed to protect one against civil lawsuits when it comes to defending your property or having an agent doing that.

EasyMark 2y ago

Shoplifting is mainly the result of lax prosecution of said crimes. I don’t ever really feel bad for corps other than companies I’ve worked for or ones I have nostalgia for, it’s just a vice I Iet myself have. However, I do feel sympathy for the people who live in those neighborhoods and can’t even get access to basic toiletries without asking someone to open up the glass. It has to get old and I see why people would just order it from Amazon or do a monthly run outside of the neighborhood to get the stuff they need for day to day activities. It’s time to fire the DAs an public officials who value “treating criminals with compassion” over the people just trying to get on with their honest, hardworking lives.

caeril 2y ago

> Their official policy in many stores is to do nothing I suspect this is primarily a liability issue - an issue with the law, not the stores themselves. Believe me, I'm sure the loss prevention departments would love to hire Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, or Dirty Harry, to handle the situation, but most jurisdictions will leave YOU on the hook for anything from personal injury, to unlawful detainment, to brandishing, to whatever. The problem is with the DA, not with the store, in most cases.