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>be full of arrogant showrunners that think their vision is better Most just want to have their own take on whatever they're adapting and I think that's prefer

>be full of arrogant showrunners that think their vision is better Most just want to have their own take on whatever they're adapting and I think that's preferable because whether good or bad, at the very least they're adding something new. The nostalgia and fanbase driven reproduction of the same stuff over and over adds nothing, it's just fanservice. If I want The Witcher the game I can just play the actual game, if I want GRRM I should read his books. Adaptions in which authors take liberties have much more potential to be interesting. King famously hated Kubrick's The Shining, Garland took a lot of liberties with Annihilation and Starship Troopers was straight up subversion and satire of the book and Heinlein's worldview. Given that we're in the age of maximally non-offensive Disney and comic book adaptions that just refuse to die and with so few genuinely novel media out there to begin with, I'm in favor of people at least taking some risks with adaptions.

jwells89 2y ago
The biggest issue with divergent adaptations in my opinion is that there aren't many that are middling or on par with the original. They tend to either be good, uplifting the source material into something greater, or not well thought out and somewhere between bad and awful, and it's easier to fall in the latter of those two buckets than the former.
themaninthedark 2y ago
But if you wan to have your own vision, why don't you just create your own world to do that in? If I took Fahrenheit 451 and adapt the story so that the state executes Guy Montag because my vision is that hate speech is dangerous, it's not Fahrenheit 451 anymore. Take the most recent Dune movies as an example; In the books, Paul spends so much time becoming Fremen and trying to resist the prophecy as well as endlessly worrying about a space jihad, only taking the water of life when he was not able to predict that Gurney would try and kill his mother. In the new vision "Let the Jihad begin!" The first is the story of a reluctant hero who is trying to keep his family alive and cherish the love of the desert people who adopted him. The second portrays a mother and son who scheme to use those around them to further their end goal of power and revenge. If I enjoy eating Oreo cookies and I buy an ice cream that is labeled "Oreo Ice Cream" but when I taste it, it is Strawberry Jam flavor, I am not going to be writing a review that praises the product designer for their bold vision. I will be taking the product back for a refund.
- bawolff 2y ago
  > The second portrays a mother and son who scheme to use those around them to further their end goal of power and revenge. That was present in the books at times as well.
  - themaninthedark 2y ago
    From the conversation he had in the tent with his mother after his first waking dream: >“I must tell you about my waking dream,” Paul said. (Now there was fury in his voice.) “To be sure you accept what I say, I’ll tell you first I know you’ll bear a daughter, my sister, here on Arrakis.” >Jessica placed her hands against the tent floor, pressed back against the curving fabric wall to still a pang of fear. She knew her pregnancy could not show yet. Only her own Bene Gesserit training had allowed her to read the first faint signals of her body, to know of the embryo only a few weeks old. >“Only to serve,” Jessica whispered, clinging to the Bene Gesserit motto. “We exist only to serve.” >“We’ll find a home among the Fremen,” Paul said, “where your Missionaria Protectiva has bought us a bolt hole.” >He suddenly saw how fertile was the ground into which he had fallen, and with this realization, the terrible purpose filled him, creeping through the empty place within, threatening to choke him with grief.He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him. >The other path held long patches of grey obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull. >“I can’t go that way,” he muttered. “That’s what the old witches of your schools really want.” >He remained silent, thinking like the seed he was, thinking with the race consciousness he had first experienced as terrible purpose. He found that he no longer could hate the Bene Gesserit or the Emperor or even the Harkonnens. They were all caught up in the need of their race to renew its scattered inheritance, to cross and mingle and infuse their bloodlines in a great new pooling of genes. And the race knew only one sure way for this—the ancient way, the tried and certain way that rolled over everything in its path: jihad. Surely, I cannot choose that way, he thought. So no, what happened in the book after the fall of the House of Artradies and what was shown in "Part 2" of the movie are diametrically opposed. Even before he meets the Fremen, he hates that everything was manipulated by the Bene Gesserit. He does not want to go along with the pan and wants to find his own way that would result in a better future.

jwells89 2y ago

The biggest issue with divergent adaptations in my opinion is that there aren't many that are middling or on par with the original. They tend to either be good, uplifting the source material into something greater, or not well thought out and somewhere between bad and awful, and it's easier to fall in the latter of those two buckets than the former.

themaninthedark 2y ago

But if you wan to have your own vision, why don't you just create your own world to do that in? If I took Fahrenheit 451 and adapt the story so that the state executes Guy Montag because my vision is that hate speech is dangerous, it's not Fahrenheit 451 anymore. Take the most recent Dune movies as an example; In the books, Paul spends so much time becoming Fremen and trying to resist the prophecy as well as endlessly worrying about a space jihad, only taking the water of life when he was not able to predict that Gurney would try and kill his mother. In the new vision "Let the Jihad begin!" The first is the story of a reluctant hero who is trying to keep his family alive and cherish the love of the desert people who adopted him. The second portrays a mother and son who scheme to use those around them to further their end goal of power and revenge. If I enjoy eating Oreo cookies and I buy an ice cream that is labeled "Oreo Ice Cream" but when I taste it, it is Strawberry Jam flavor, I am not going to be writing a review that praises the product designer for their bold vision. I will be taking the product back for a refund.

bawolff 2y ago
> The second portrays a mother and son who scheme to use those around them to further their end goal of power and revenge. That was present in the books at times as well.
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  From the conversation he had in the tent with his mother after his first waking dream: >“I must tell you about my waking dream,” Paul said. (Now there was fury in his voice.) “To be sure you accept what I say, I’ll tell you first I know you’ll bear a daughter, my sister, here on Arrakis.” >Jessica placed her hands against the tent floor, pressed back against the curving fabric wall to still a pang of fear. She knew her pregnancy could not show yet. Only her own Bene Gesserit training had allowed her to read the first faint signals of her body, to know of the embryo only a few weeks old. >“Only to serve,” Jessica whispered, clinging to the Bene Gesserit motto. “We exist only to serve.” >“We’ll find a home among the Fremen,” Paul said, “where your Missionaria Protectiva has bought us a bolt hole.” >He suddenly saw how fertile was the ground into which he had fallen, and with this realization, the terrible purpose filled him, creeping through the empty place within, threatening to choke him with grief.He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him. >The other path held long patches of grey obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull. >“I can’t go that way,” he muttered. “That’s what the old witches of your schools really want.” >He remained silent, thinking like the seed he was, thinking with the race consciousness he had first experienced as terrible purpose. He found that he no longer could hate the Bene Gesserit or the Emperor or even the Harkonnens. They were all caught up in the need of their race to renew its scattered inheritance, to cross and mingle and infuse their bloodlines in a great new pooling of genes. And the race knew only one sure way for this—the ancient way, the tried and certain way that rolled over everything in its path: jihad. Surely, I cannot choose that way, he thought. So no, what happened in the book after the fall of the House of Artradies and what was shown in "Part 2" of the movie are diametrically opposed. Even before he meets the Fremen, he hates that everything was manipulated by the Bene Gesserit. He does not want to go along with the pan and wants to find his own way that would result in a better future.