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*paid editor There are a lot of great and fast IDE-like programs on Mac (CodeEdit, CotEdit, etc.) - try those before forking out $99 for a text editor.

brudgers 2y ago
Checking out multiple code editors takes time. Optimizing $99 purchases is sub-optimal for many people. Particularly in the context of professional software development. Finding free stuff can be a fun hobby. There's nothing wrong with using free time in that pursuit. Other people make different choices.
- talldayo 2y ago
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  - brudgers 2y ago
    Time is more precious than money. Exchanging money for time is the value of a dollar.
    - RantyDave 2y ago
      Exactly. It has to save me an hour to be worth it. Unfortunately, I can't see this saving me an hour.
  - buffington 2y ago
    Or extract $99 worth of value out of it and let people laugh when the license changes. The math isn't that hard.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      how can you extract $99 worth of value out of an IDE that would not be a loss for not using another free option? I expect to extract thousands of dollars worth of an IDE, at least, monthly.
      - buffington 2y ago
        I'm not sure how to answer your question, but can say with authority that you're free to extract as much or as little value out of it as you'd like.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        The math isn't that hard. But not knowing how to answer explains well the lack of reasoning in your first statement.
  - indrora 2y ago
    You must not remember when most of the good text editors were paid (SlickEdit, KomodoEdit, etc). To this day, there are still editors that are worth their dollars: SourceInsight, SlickEdit. Additionally, a lot of Good software on macOS is paid -- There's much more of a culture of paying your fucking developers on MacOS, whereas Windows is shoveled full of "It's free take it" apps that are under the hood paid for through data collection.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      I still brush elbows with people that pay for Sublime Text and Git Tower, I just look down on their judgement as an individual. We don't live in an era where you have to pay for IDEs or compilers or even OSes anymore. Frivolous and vain spending like that absolutely reflects the sort of user you are and many (famously opinionated) developers will judge you for it accordingly. It's like driving a $150,000 supercar to work, you look like a tool and everyone knows it. > There's much more of a culture of paying your fucking developers on MacOS No, not really. It's more that Mac users are famously price-insensitive, and since Apple deliberately neglects cross-platform APIs they can create a captive userbase of desperate and moneyed software customers. It's a culture of exploitation on either side, as Apple makes so abundantly clear with their desperate clawing at the iOS market and the right to process payment for thousands of microtransactions a second. > whereas Windows is shoveled full of "It's free take it" apps that are under the hood paid for through data collection. MacOS is replete with those too, and many of them will charge you a monthly fee and steal your data. I think Windows is a fucking deralict operating system for the record, but modern MacOS is almost just as terrible and it's honestly hillarious watching people try to deny it. Yeah, you think Apple's fostering a "pay the developers" culture, huh? I don't see much kool-aid left in your styrofoam cup.
      - alibarber 2y ago
        I’m genuinely curious to hear such a viewpoint. I’m a happy paid up user of Sublime, it’s gotten me through my PhD, and I’ve earned my livelihood with it for many years. The motivation to switch to something else because it’s free (either as in beer, or just maintained by volunteers as long as it’s the current cool thing) for me is nonexistent. I can’t take your comparison between spending $99 on something that helps me earn many many times that, and $150k on a car seriously I’m afraid.
  - tpmoney 2y ago
    Once again I find myself flabbergasted at working in an industry where the people working in that industry have no interest in getting paid for the work they do. You can spend $100 these days just eating dinner at a mid-tier restaurant. Quibbling over $100 for the software that makes your life / job easier is just crazy to me. > If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. Haven't we seen multiple times in the past couple years when "free" products that people rely on have also changed their licenses in ways that people disagree with?
    - dcchambers 2y ago
      No one loves free stuff as much as highly paid software developers.
  - d35007 2y ago
    > You are editing text. If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. You are caring too much about what other people think. If someone laughs at me because of a tool I use, they're the tool I pay for a JetBrains subscription. They're worth the money, imo. I've paid for Panic software in the past and did not regret it. I'm still pretty happy with my mix of Sublime Text 3, vim, and JetBrains, but if I get bored one day, I might check out Nova
  - wiseowise 2y ago
    > You are editing text. If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. Jesus, laughingstock for whom? A couple of online nerds without life that have nothing better in life than laugh at someone who spent 99$? Go outside, touch some grass. Unless you get off of this behavior - in this case remove yourself from the internet, there’s too much toxic behavior already.
- mft_ 2y ago
  You're assuming that because something costs $99, it's automatically going to be better than options which are cheaper of free?
  - isametry 2y ago
    I think he's implying that it's a decent bet when running a business, yes.
    - avarun 2y ago
      And it would be completely incorrect in the context of modern software development tools, where the best in class are open-source and free.
  - brudgers 2y ago
    I am assuming that it is probably be good enough. Good enough is good enough because code editors are solutions in the context of engineering.
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user3939382 2y ago
CotEditor and Nova aren’t in the same category. Nova organizes projects.
- msephton 2y ago
  CotEditor just got an update adding a file/protect sidebar. I've not used it much so far, but it sure is nice to now be able to open folders in it.

brudgers 2y ago

Checking out multiple code editors takes time. Optimizing $99 purchases is sub-optimal for many people. Particularly in the context of professional software development. Finding free stuff can be a fun hobby. There's nothing wrong with using free time in that pursuit. Other people make different choices.

talldayo 2y ago
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- brudgers 2y ago
  Time is more precious than money. Exchanging money for time is the value of a dollar.
  - RantyDave 2y ago
    Exactly. It has to save me an hour to be worth it. Unfortunately, I can't see this saving me an hour.
- buffington 2y ago
  Or extract $99 worth of value out of it and let people laugh when the license changes. The math isn't that hard.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    how can you extract $99 worth of value out of an IDE that would not be a loss for not using another free option? I expect to extract thousands of dollars worth of an IDE, at least, monthly.
    - buffington 2y ago
      I'm not sure how to answer your question, but can say with authority that you're free to extract as much or as little value out of it as you'd like.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        The math isn't that hard. But not knowing how to answer explains well the lack of reasoning in your first statement.
- indrora 2y ago
  You must not remember when most of the good text editors were paid (SlickEdit, KomodoEdit, etc). To this day, there are still editors that are worth their dollars: SourceInsight, SlickEdit. Additionally, a lot of Good software on macOS is paid -- There's much more of a culture of paying your fucking developers on MacOS, whereas Windows is shoveled full of "It's free take it" apps that are under the hood paid for through data collection.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    I still brush elbows with people that pay for Sublime Text and Git Tower, I just look down on their judgement as an individual. We don't live in an era where you have to pay for IDEs or compilers or even OSes anymore. Frivolous and vain spending like that absolutely reflects the sort of user you are and many (famously opinionated) developers will judge you for it accordingly. It's like driving a $150,000 supercar to work, you look like a tool and everyone knows it. > There's much more of a culture of paying your fucking developers on MacOS No, not really. It's more that Mac users are famously price-insensitive, and since Apple deliberately neglects cross-platform APIs they can create a captive userbase of desperate and moneyed software customers. It's a culture of exploitation on either side, as Apple makes so abundantly clear with their desperate clawing at the iOS market and the right to process payment for thousands of microtransactions a second. > whereas Windows is shoveled full of "It's free take it" apps that are under the hood paid for through data collection. MacOS is replete with those too, and many of them will charge you a monthly fee and steal your data. I think Windows is a fucking deralict operating system for the record, but modern MacOS is almost just as terrible and it's honestly hillarious watching people try to deny it. Yeah, you think Apple's fostering a "pay the developers" culture, huh? I don't see much kool-aid left in your styrofoam cup.
    - alibarber 2y ago
      I’m genuinely curious to hear such a viewpoint. I’m a happy paid up user of Sublime, it’s gotten me through my PhD, and I’ve earned my livelihood with it for many years. The motivation to switch to something else because it’s free (either as in beer, or just maintained by volunteers as long as it’s the current cool thing) for me is nonexistent. I can’t take your comparison between spending $99 on something that helps me earn many many times that, and $150k on a car seriously I’m afraid.
- tpmoney 2y ago
  Once again I find myself flabbergasted at working in an industry where the people working in that industry have no interest in getting paid for the work they do. You can spend $100 these days just eating dinner at a mid-tier restaurant. Quibbling over $100 for the software that makes your life / job easier is just crazy to me. > If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. Haven't we seen multiple times in the past couple years when "free" products that people rely on have also changed their licenses in ways that people disagree with?
  - dcchambers 2y ago
    No one loves free stuff as much as highly paid software developers.
- d35007 2y ago
  > You are editing text. If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. You are caring too much about what other people think. If someone laughs at me because of a tool I use, they're the tool I pay for a JetBrains subscription. They're worth the money, imo. I've paid for Panic software in the past and did not regret it. I'm still pretty happy with my mix of Sublime Text 3, vim, and JetBrains, but if I get bored one day, I might check out Nova
- wiseowise 2y ago
  > You are editing text. If you rely on a paid product to do so then prepare to be a laughingstock when the license changes in a way you disagree with. Jesus, laughingstock for whom? A couple of online nerds without life that have nothing better in life than laugh at someone who spent 99$? Go outside, touch some grass. Unless you get off of this behavior - in this case remove yourself from the internet, there’s too much toxic behavior already.
mft_ 2y ago
You're assuming that because something costs $99, it's automatically going to be better than options which are cheaper of free?
- isametry 2y ago
  I think he's implying that it's a decent bet when running a business, yes.
  - avarun 2y ago
    And it would be completely incorrect in the context of modern software development tools, where the best in class are open-source and free.
- brudgers 2y ago
  I am assuming that it is probably be good enough. Good enough is good enough because code editors are solutions in the context of engineering.

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user3939382 2y ago

CotEditor and Nova aren’t in the same category. Nova organizes projects.

msephton 2y ago
CotEditor just got an update adding a file/protect sidebar. I've not used it much so far, but it sure is nice to now be able to open folders in it.