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The problem lies in "what is a crime?" here. If you can get arrested for organizing a protest (that didn't even start that), do you still think that those peop
by ajsnigrutin 2y ago
The problem lies in "what is a crime?" here.
If you can get arrested for organizing a protest (that didn't even start that), do you still think that those people are criminals? Just look at all the people that got arrested recently in UK... It's sad, and telegram, not being a UK company (imho) shouldn't be forced to give UK government/police peoples ip addresses and phone numbers.
- petesergeant 2y ago> telegram, not being a UK company (imho) shouldn't be forced to give UK government/police peoples ip addresses and phone numbers They absolutely should if they want to operate in the UK.
- switch007 2y agoDefine operate in. Does HN operate in the UK because I can access it here? Should they be subject to UK law?
- Jaepa 2y agoShould the same rule exists in more authoritarian countries like China, North Korea, or Belarus? If so should the government be allowed access to non-nationals outside the country? How about if a non-national is inside the country communicating with those outside? How about if those folks are journalist reporting where journalism is illegal (see Russia's laws on "fake news" on Ukraine). I'm not saying your point of view is wrong, but I think its easy to jump to that conclusion as this is probably the least sympathetic case to set principle. But this _does_ set principle.
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- ajsnigrutin 2y ago> Should the same rule exists in more authoritarian countries like China, North Korea, or Belarus? If eg. Iran requested IP addresses from Pornhub (Aylo?) for all the visitors from iranian ip addresses who have viewed a gay video there, people would be changing their view pretty fast.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoBut they're registered in UAE (i think it's there). They might get "visitors" from UK, but so do "coffeeshops" in amsterdam.
- smileson2 2y agoThat’s not for telegram to decide and dictate to everyone else I’m not sure I’d call that sad
- ezst 2y agoIf they want to operate in country X, they have to abide by the laws of country X, I don't see what's controversial about this.
- immibis 2y agoThe laws of country X are controversial.
- squarefoot 2y agoAll countries have laws that are controversial for some other country.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoYep. Imagine iran requesting all the IP addresses of people who have viewed gay porn from pornhub (=Aylo or whatever it's called now)
- ezst 2y agoI imagine that this would be reason enough for them to either comply with the law or not operate there, like every other business does? You seem to imply that it's ok for internet companies to be above the law, I don't see how that's compatible with self-determinism/democracy (loss of jurisdiction) nor in the interests of the people (because inevitably such companies will optimize their profits at the expense of the public and can't be held accountable, in your anarchic world order).